Discussion on the End Times

[Truth7t7]

Are you black separatist?
Nation of islam?

Just asking....not saying you are

Are you black separatist?
Nation of islam?

Just asking....not saying you are

He follows British Israelism

Wikipedia: British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.[1] With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin.[2]Numerous British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in America from the 1870s onwards; a number of these organisations are independently active as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ruth is in Jesus blood line.
Under your logic ,Jesus was not Jewish.

Tell it to God how rediculous his choosing of 144k are not really Jewish.

They never were 100% jewish by lineage. All the tribes married outside their roots.

So your starting all humans that have 1% Jewish blood are in on the salvation package, direct question to you?

 

[Runningman]

Here is the basis for runningmans view from another thread;

""Typical response from the pre-trib crowd is that the return of Christ and rapture are separate events.

This idea that there is a bonus prize pre-trib rapture for a select few is also no where to be found in the Bible as far as I can tell.

The Bible is clear that the last trumpet is when the dead are raised, Christ returns and the living are raptured.""

No unpacking or study. No reconciling of the separate gathering of the bride.
You just ASSUME there can not be a separate event.
Your entire view is off of assumption. Not bible.
That is why you guys can not unpack mat 24 or 25.

Until you can actually look at the verses depicting a separate gathering you are only fooling those in your camp.
The verses are there
They ain't going away.

That is why you guys
Avoid

Ignore

Cherry pick.
And generalize


Facts;
1 The ac kills all w/o the mark
2 The dead precede the living
Postribbers have that reversed by ignoring a mid trib gathering of rev 14 .
3 The bride is taken to the chamber in heaven (mat 25)
4 The ripe fruit taken to heaven as well as the 144k mid trib (rev 14)
5 Both lot and noah are pretrib deliverences
6 Jesus prophecies the feast in heaven at the last supper.
7 Rev 19 says the bride has become the wife....all in heaven on white horses.

8 The one taken/left is peacetime with 2 believers in bed ,working,relaxing etc and in union with "before the flood"( how rediculous to think a believer is in bed with a non believer)

You guys depend on out of context.
Your foundation depends on context removed.
Show me one postrib rapture teacher that addresses our verses.
Or one that is bride/heaven centered. (Jesus/bride centered)
None are
IOW,what God leaves the church with in the last sentences of the bible is "the spirit and the bride say come....come Lord Jesus "

Postribbers say "no. It can not happen "

15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

1. The return of Christ, the trumpet sounds
2. The resurrection of the dead
3. The rapture

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:29-31

1. After the tribulation
2. The return of Christ, the trumpet sounds
3. The rapture

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

1. The last trumpet sounds
2. The resurrection of the dead
3. We shall be changed
4. All in the twinkling of an eye

11 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Revelation 11:15

1. Final trumpet, Christ reigns forever
2. Kingdom of the world becomes the Lord's kingdom

In conclusion: after the great tribulation Christ returns at the last (seventh and final) trumpet, the dead are resurrected, and believers are changed and raptured, all in the twinkling of an eye. They aren't separate events, they happen together.

Extra verses: John 6:39-40, & 11:23-24 about the resurrection of the dead on the last day.

 

[Keras]

""You hate anyone who shows that the Jewish State of Israel will be destroyed and only a remnant saved, because that truth also destroys the 'rapture'. Tough; you will just have to get on and endure until the end, like everyone. "" Quote Keraz

Lol
The ac kills all refusing the mark.
There are no Christians "enduring to the end" running from cave to cave.
That alone destroys the false postrib rapture.

But the main folly lies in your starting point and prism.

Once you get those 2 aligned you will begin to see clearly.

Right; the faithful Christians do not have to run or hide, when the Anti-Christ conquers them, as Daniel 11:39-35 & 7:25, Revelation 13:1-5
They will be taken to a place of safety on earth, just as Revelation 12:14 says. Proved by Rev 12:17, where the Christians who violated the Covenant, Daniel 11:32a, have to remain in Jerusalem.

I don't believe in any 'rapture to heaven' at all. The 'harparzo' of 1 Thess 4:17, is just a horizontal transportation, to where Jesus will be.
Jesus said:
John 3:13 No one has gone up to heaven, except the One who came down from there…
Jesus is talking about the things of heaven, truths that apply forever.

John 7:33-34…I am going away to Him who sent Me and where I go, you cannot come.
A plain statement that also applies forever.

John 8:21-23 Again He said: Where I go, you cannot come. You belong to this world below, I to the world above….
Our home is the earth, we are earth people and not spirits and even after the Millennium, those worthy will become immortal, but will still remain on earth. Revelation 21:1-4

John 17:15 I do not pray that You take My people out of this world, but to keep them from the evil one.
Jesus was talking to God and what He asked applies to all Christians. Remember: we pray for God’s Kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven and it will, with the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 5:10 You have made them priests for our God and they shall reign on earth.
This refers to every faithful Christian, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, they shall reign on earth. That is our destiny, we never go to heaven, only our souls if we are martyred. Revelation 6:9-11 Kept under the Altar and allowed to cry out at times.

 

[Keras]

He follows British Israelism

Wikipedia: British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.[1] With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin.[2]Numerous British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in America from the 1870s onwards; a number of these organisations are independently active as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.

Why this nasty and unwarranted attack?

We know the ten tribes are still scattered among the nations. Who exactly they all are is God's secret.
But from the blessings given to them by Jacob and Moses, we can get a fair idea of this. I admit it is mostly speculation, but what isn't guesswork, is the fact of Jesus' first Advent was to save the Lost House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
He did not fail and we Christians are the result. We ARE, therefore the Israelites of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

The ac kills all refusing the mark.
There are no Christians "enduring to the end" running from cave to cave.
That alone destroys the false postrib rapture.
.

You been watching too many Tim La Haye Left Behind movies

Running From Cave To Cave?

That Totally Explains How Deep Your Confusion, And Indoctrination Really Is (Scary)

 

[Absolutely]

He follows British Israelism

Wikipedia: British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.[1] With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin.[2]Numerous British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in America from the 1870s onwards; a number of these organisations are independently active as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.

Ok
That makes sense
I am amazed at those on the board that are so stealthy.

It is hiding.
Why?
I don't get it.

 

[Absolutely]

You been watching too many Tim La Haye Left Behind movies

Running From Cave To Cave?

That Totally Explains How Deep Your Confusion, And Indoctrination Really Is (Scary)

Classic pot <>kettle....classic!

You can not reconcile my verses.

Ok got it

That is why you go personal.

 

[Absolutely]

Right; the faithful Christians do not have to run or hide, when the Anti-Christ conquers them, as Daniel 11:39-35 & 7:25, Revelation 13:1-5
They will be taken to a place of safety on earth, just as Revelation 12:14 says. Proved by Rev 12:17, where the Christians who violated the Covenant, Daniel 11:32a, have to remain in Jerusalem.

I don't believe in any 'rapture to heaven' at all. The 'harparzo' of 1 Thess 4:17, is just a horizontal transportation, to where Jesus will be.
Jesus said:
John 3:13 No one has gone up to heaven, except the One who came down from there…
Jesus is talking about the things of heaven, truths that apply forever.

John 7:33-34…I am going away to Him who sent Me and where I go, you cannot come.
A plain statement that also applies forever.

John 8:21-23 Again He said: Where I go, you cannot come. You belong to this world below, I to the world above….
Our home is the earth, we are earth people and not spirits and even after the Millennium, those worthy will become immortal, but will still remain on earth. Revelation 21:1-4

John 17:15 I do not pray that You take My people out of this world, but to keep them from the evil one.
Jesus was talking to God and what He asked applies to all Christians. Remember: we pray for God’s Kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven and it will, with the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 5:10 You have made them priests for our God and they shall reign on earth.
This refers to every faithful Christian, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, they shall reign on earth. That is our destiny, we never go to heaven, only our souls if we are martyred. Revelation 6:9-11 Kept under the Altar and allowed to cry out at times.

Nope.
It says the ac is GIVEN POWER to overcome the saints.
It says ALL REFUSING THE MARK perish.
It says EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD recieve it...
It says an INNUMERABLE NUMBER(MARTYRED) BEFORE THE THRONE....

INNUMERABLE

BILLIONS?

BEHEADED.

it says "THEY LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH"

...but I do realize you will not and can not factor in the entire picture.

Too damaging

 

[Absolutely]

15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

1. The return of Christ, the trumpet sounds
2. The resurrection of the dead
3. The rapture

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:29-31

1. After the tribulation
2. The return of Christ, the trumpet sounds
3. The rapture

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:52

1. The last trumpet sounds
2. The resurrection of the dead
3. We shall be changed
4. All in the twinkling of an eye

11 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Revelation 11:15

1. Final trumpet, Christ reigns forever
2. Kingdom of the world becomes the Lord's kingdom

In conclusion: after the great tribulation Christ returns at the last (seventh and final) trumpet, the dead are resurrected, and believers are changed and raptured, all in the twinkling of an eye. They aren't separate events, they happen together.

Extra verses: John 6:39-40, & 11:23-24 about the resurrection of the dead on the last day.

All you prove is that your deal is hinging on a trumpet.

Fun fact;
A trumpet voids 10 or 20 verses...nope.
The last trump is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.
Uh huh.

A cliched doctrine is poor bible exegesis.
"Last trump"
"Trumpet"
"Lahaye"
"Left behind"

Even verses are cherry picked.

That is why the harmony of the bible is rejected in favor of ones own disdain for a pretrib rapture.

You can not go where my verses obviously lead.

Why?

Because your entire premise or starting place is "anti pretrib rapture"

All my verses are being ignored.

No debate at all.

I cover both sides. I study your position
It is impossible. My verses totally destroy your position.

Hands down...destroy it.

You guys are sitting in rubble acting like you have some point.
I clearly laid out the impossibility of a postrib rapture.
Impossibility.

 

[Absolutely]

Let's hear how my verses are wrong.

Let's hear it.

Take just one and show me.

Show me noah or lot delivered post judgement.
Show me how the rapture of rev 14 makes 1 thes 4 dead rise before the living.

Show how there is no wiping out of the Christian's by the ac.

Show me.

Tell me how the groom and bride are COMPLETELY left out of your doctrine ,but the basis of my view.
Tell me how it is possible to factor out the bride/groom dimension.

Tell me how Jesus declaration at the last supper is false.

Tell me how the bride becoming the wife IN HEAVEN is empty words.

Tell me how the wise virgins do not go to the marriage chamber, and you have them returning to their dwelling.

Tell me "he shall return in like manner" has Jesus ascending on a white horse in judgement and killing the devil man and his army.

Reconcile your position.
Stop creating a false dynamic.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok
That makes sense
I am amazed at those on the board that are so stealthy.

It is hiding.
Why?
I don't get it.

I fully agree, other Christian forums have sub categories, this forum lumps everybody into one forum for biblical discussion.

The reason they hide, is because they know their foundation in belief is built upon the sands of man.

 

[Truth7t7]

Nope.
It says the ac is GIVEN POWER to overcome the saints.
It says ALL REFUSING THE MARK perish.
It says EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD recieve it...
It says an INNUMERABLE NUMBER(MARTYRED) BEFORE THE THRONE....

INNUMERABLE

BILLIONS?

BEHEADED.

it says "THEY LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH"

...but I do realize you will not and can not factor in the entire picture.

Too damaging

You go on a complete rant, following the false Tim La Haye left Behind series, (Fake News) no scripture to support your rant.

You falsely claim all refusing the mark perish, every man woman and child receive it?

Tim La Haye Left Behind (Fake News)

(The Church At Pergamos, Present On Earth At The Second Coming)

Revelation 2:15-16KJV
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Jesus Christ (Clearly Shows) the church present on Earth at the second coming, he gives a directive (Hold Fast Till I Come)

(Hold fast till I come)

(He That Overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end)

(The Church At Thyatira, Present At The Second Coming)

Revelation 2:24-29KJV
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[Truth7t7]

All you prove is that your deal is hinging on a trumpet.

Fun fact;
A trumpet voids 10 or 20 verses...nope.
The last trump is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.
Uh huh.

A cliched doctrine is poor bible exegesis.
"Last trump"
"Trumpet"
"Lahaye"
"Left behind"

Even verses are cherry picked.

That is why the harmony of the bible is rejected in favor of ones own disdain for a pretrib rapture.

You can not go where my verses obviously lead.

Why?

Because your entire premise or starting place is "anti pretrib rapture"

All my verses are being ignored.

No debate at all.

I cover both sides. I study your position
It is impossible. My verses totally destroy your position.

Hands down...destroy it.

You guys are sitting in rubble acting like you have some point.
I clearly laid out the impossibility of a postrib rapture.
Impossibility.

All your verses are being ignored?

You promote the (Fake News) Tim La Haye Left Behind Rant without scripture to support your claims.

 

[Runningman]

All you prove is that your deal is hinging on a trumpet.

Fun fact;
A trumpet voids 10 or 20 verses...nope.
The last trump is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.
Uh huh.

A cliched doctrine is poor bible exegesis.
"Last trump"
"Trumpet"
"Lahaye"
"Left behind"

Even verses are cherry picked.

That is why the harmony of the bible is rejected in favor of ones own disdain for a pretrib rapture.

You can not go where my verses obviously lead.

Why?

Because your entire premise or starting place is "anti pretrib rapture"

All my verses are being ignored.

No debate at all.

I cover both sides. I study your position
It is impossible. My verses totally destroy your position.

Hands down...destroy it.

You guys are sitting in rubble acting like you have some point.
I clearly laid out the impossibility of a postrib rapture.
Impossibility.

All you did was deflect and deny the verses I showed you without actually disproving any of them.

"Hands down I destroy you. I win. You don't have anything." Isn't an acceptable answer to disprove anything. I honestly am not taking you seriously at this point.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Why this nasty and unwarranted attack?

We know the ten tribes are still scattered among the nations. Who exactly they all are is God's secret.
But from the blessings given to them by Jacob and Moses, we can get a fair idea of this. I admit it is mostly speculation, but what isn't guesswork, is the fact of Jesus' first Advent was to save the Lost House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
He did not fail and we Christians are the result. We ARE, therefore the Israelites of God.

That is a false conclusion:

"I have other sheep (Gentiles) that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd."

Both Jew and Gentile make up the church. However, the church did not become Israel.

The unbelieving nation of Israel will be dealt with by God during the tribulation and specifically during the last 3 1/2 years. This is neither the Jews nor Gentiles that make up the church, but the unbelieving nation of Israel.

As I demonstrated in a previous post, in Daniel 9:24 seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Daniel's people (Israel) and upon the holy city (Jerusalem). Sixty nine of the seven years have been fulfilled with the last seven still future. And because the decree was made upon true Israel and Jerusalem, then that last seven years will be fulfilled upon the literal twelve tribes of Israel which makes up the nation Israel as a whole. Consequently, because the decree was made upon Daniel's people and their holy city, then the church cannot be misconstrued as referring to Israel.

It is the antichrist who will establish that last seven year covenant with literal Israel and will break it in the middle of the seven, complete with a temple, sacrifices and offerings which he will cause to cease and at which time he will set up that abomination that will cause the desolation of Jerusalem to flee out into the wilderness. This fleeing is revealed in Matt.24:15-22 and Revelation 12:6, 14 is referring to.

The church (made up of Jew and Gentile) will have been changed and caught up prior to the start of the seven years.

The great number of white robed saints which no man can count of Rev.7:9-17, will be from every nation, tribe, people and language, which makes them all Gentiles. These are those who will become believers after the church has been removed.

The 144,000 from each of the twelve tribes, minus Dan and replaced with Manasseh, will be 144,000 believing Israelites who come out of unbelieving Israel, which is what the figurative phrase of the woman giving birth to the male child is referring to. The moniker 'Male Child' is a collective name representing the 144,000 believing Israelites who come out of the woman (gives birth to) who is unbelieving Israel.

God has specific promises to the true nation of Israel that must be fulfilled upon them and their holy city. The church did not and does not become Israel and neither do the promises of Israel get redirected to the church. Your claim is just another false teaching of men.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is a false conclusion:

"I have other sheep (Gentiles) that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd."

Both Jew and Gentile make up the church. However, the church did not become Israel.

The unbelieving nation of Israel will be dealt with by God during the tribulation and specifically during the last 3 1/2 years. This is neither the Jews nor Gentiles that make up the church, but the unbelieving nation of Israel.

As I demonstrated in a previous post, in Daniel 9:24 seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Daniel's people (Israel) and upon the holy city (Jerusalem). Sixty nine of the seven years have been fulfilled with the last seven still future. And because the decree was made upon true Israel and Jerusalem, then that last seven years will be fulfilled upon the literal twelve tribes of Israel which makes up the nation Israel as a whole. Consequently, because the decree was made upon Daniel's people and their holy city, then the church cannot be misconstrued as referring to Israel.

It is the antichrist who will establish that last seven year covenant with literal Israel and will break it in the middle of the seven, complete with a temple, sacrifices and offerings which he will cause to cease and at which time he will set up that abomination that will cause the desolation of Jerusalem to flee out into the wilderness. This fleeing is revealed in Matt.24:15-22 and Revelation 12:6, 14 is referring to.

The church (made up of Jew and Gentile) will have been changed and caught up prior to the start of the seven years.

The great number of white robed saints which no man can count of Rev.7:9-17, will be from every nation, tribe, people and language, which makes them all Gentiles. These are those who will become believers after the church has been removed.

The 144,000 from each of the twelve tribes, minus Dan and replaced with Manasseh, will be 144,000 believing Israelites who come out of unbelieving Israel, which is what the figurative phrase of the woman giving birth to the male child is referring to. The moniker 'Male Child' is a collective name representing the 144,000 believing Israelites who come out of the woman (gives birth to) who is unbelieving Israel.

God has specific promises to the true nation of Israel that must be fulfilled upon them and their holy city. The church did not and does not become Israel and neither do the promises of Israel get redirected to the church. Your claim is just another false teaching of men.

Your Claim That A Nation Israel, Based Upon Ethnic And National Heritage Is God's Israel Is (False)

The Elect Church Jew/Gentile Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed, (Elect)

(They Which Are Children Of The Flesh (Jews) These Are Not The Children Of God)

Roman's 9:6-11KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

 

[Absolutely]

You go on a complete rant, following the false Tim La Haye left Behind series, (Fake News) no scripture to support your rant.

You falsely claim all refusing the mark perish, every man woman and child receive it?

Tim La Haye Left Behind (Fake News)

(The Church At Pergamos, Present On Earth At The Second Coming)

Revelation 2:15-16KJV
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Jesus Christ (Clearly Shows) the church present on Earth at the second coming, he gives a directive (Hold Fast Till I Come)

(Hold fast till I come)

(He That Overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end)

(The Church At Thyatira, Present At The Second Coming)

Revelation 2:24-29KJV
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

""You falsely claim all refusing the mark perish, every man woman and child receive it?""

Tell it to Jesus. He authored it

Revelation 13:16
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

But no...you go on a complete rant claim that is false.

 

[Absolutely]

All you did was deflect and deny the verses I showed you without actually disproving any of them.

"Hands down I destroy you. I win. You don't have anything." Isn't an acceptable answer to disprove anything. I honestly am not taking you seriously at this point.

Uh excuse me...you are the trumpet guy.

Basing your deal on a cliche.

 

[Absolutely]

All you did was deflect and deny the verses I showed you without actually disproving any of them.

"Hands down I destroy you. I win. You don't have anything." Isn't an acceptable answer to disprove anything. I honestly am not taking you seriously at this point.

Lol
You can not answer my verses.
Take one of them and try.
Or consider your deal as anemic.
You actually have not defended your doctrine at all.

I gave you guys all those dynamics to address.
But nope you sidestep and accuse others of deflecting.

Challenging you invokes an answer.

Either defend your opposition to my verses or admit you can not.

Enough with the side dance.
Just try real hard... should be such a great opportunity for so knowledgable a scholar.