When are we saved ?

[ForestGreenCook]

True. But not the way you think. Regeneration can not precede justification. Unless God breaks his own rules

Jesus justified us on the cross, Gal 2:16.

 

[Magenta]

Then we go beyond what is written then ?

Where is it written that God does not speak to people???

Hint: nowhere is such a thing written.

I gave many Scriptural instances of Him doing so.

God does not change.

You are like an agnostic in that, since they do not know whether God exists, they claim nobody can know.

 

[throughfaith]

Biblical fact is that we do not serve three independant gods acting independantly, but a Triune God who is One, and the Father does not act independantly from God the Spirit, nor does God the Son.

They have distinct roles .

 

[throughfaith]

Biblical fact is that we do not serve three independant gods acting independantly, but a Triune God who is One, and the Father does not act independantly from God the Spirit, nor does God the Son.

You know you said that calvinists don't say they were saved before they believed. Read# 1181

 

[OIC1965]

They have distinct roles .

But they do not act independantly.

 

[OIC1965]

You know you said that calvinists don't say they were saved before they believed. Read# 1181

They don’t

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus justified us on the cross, Gal 2:16.

So your salvation was secured on the cross?

 

[throughfaith]

But they do not act independantly.

if you mean that Jesus went rouge and did his own thing ,then no . Three co equal, co eternal persons in one being = God

 

[EleventhHour]

They don’t

 

[OIC1965]

You know you said that calvinists don't say they were saved before they believed. Read# 1181

I don’t think he said saved before believed. I think he means in the sense that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. The work of reconciliation was accomplished at the cross, the message of reconciliation is preached, and those who believe receive the benefits of the work that Christ accomplished at the cross.

In the same way, the sin debt of ours was paid at the cross. Remission of sins is preached. Those who believe receive the benefits of the work that Christ did at the cross

But no. I don’t believe we are justified before we believe. That is not what Calvinism teaches.

 

[Magenta]

if you mean that Jesus went rouge and did his own thing ,then no . Three co equal, co eternal persons in one being = God

I think you mean rogue?

 

[OIC1965]

if you mean that Jesus went rouge and did his own thing ,then no . Three co equal, co eternal persons in one being = God

If Jesus draws, or the Father draws, there is no scriptural basis to the claim that they do so independantly of the Spirit.

 

[throughfaith]

Then why is Mr forest saying he was justified at the cross?

 

[OIC1965]

So your salvation was secured on the cross?

Jesus accomplished the full work of redemption. That redemption is preached in the world. Those who believe receive the benefits of that work that Christ accomplished about 2,000 years ago.

 

[throughfaith]

I think you mean rogue?

lol

 

[OIC1965]

Then why is Mr forest saying he was justified at the cross?

Ask him to clarify. But Calvinism does not teach saved before time, which is what you claimed and I disputed.

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus accomplished the full work of redemption. That redemption is preached in the world. Those who believe receive the benefits of that work that Christ accomplished about 2,000 years ago.

He will when he returns. Romans 8.23

 

[OIC1965]

He will when he returns. Romans 8.23

Our disagreement was regarding the premise “saved before time”. I said Calvinists do not teach this and you said some do. They don’t.

Posts 365 and 367

 

[EleventhHour]

Ask him to clarify. But Calvinism does not teach saved before time, which is what you claimed and I disputed.

Since they are in fact chosen by God for salvation before time began they are in fact saved before time, because God has made the decision to save whomever He wants to save.

"In time" God forces regeneration and salvation.

 

[OIC1965]

Rom 1.16 tells us the Gospel IS the dynamis .Thats why Paul brings not mans wisdom but simply the Gospel.

AND the demonstration of the Spirit and power. 1 Corinthians 2:4