Have You Received the Holy Ghost Since You Believed?
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I can say it because I have it. (For lack of a more direct way of saying it).
Those that are born of the spirit recognize the way of the spirit. @lenna made mention of that fact in regards to praying for situations before even knowing there is a situation to pray for. Some people call that "feeling led to pray". And it's common among people who have the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, as she suggested. People who don't have tongues just think they're making it up (because they are basing their ideas about others on their own experiences). But I tell you of a true testimony that God has done that for me so often that I'd begun to say that I usually get my sincere prayer in BEFORE the major events happen. And I'm happy for that because I don't consider myself a good reactive pray-er.
It's one of the things promised under "He (the Holy Ghost) shall show you things to come".
It's also one of those things not talked about much with those without tongues. (Because they can't relate). And is one of the reasons God calls his people to be separate unto him and not to try to join unequally with others. (Because it leads to arguments rather than greater output).
I'm just sharing it with you here in hopes that you have eyes to see and ears to hear MORE than what you were taught.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Those that are born of the spirit recognize the way of the spirit. @lenna made mention of that fact in regards to praying for situations before even knowing there is a situation to pray for. Some people call that "feeling led to pray". And it's common among people who have the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, as she suggested. People who don't have tongues just think they're making it up (because they are basing their ideas about others on their own experiences). But I tell you of a true testimony that God has done that for me so often that I'd begun to say that I usually get my sincere prayer in BEFORE the major events happen. And I'm happy for that because I don't consider myself a good reactive pray-er.
It's one of the things promised under "He (the Holy Ghost) shall show you things to come".
It's also one of those things not talked about much with those without tongues. (Because they can't relate). And is one of the reasons God calls his people to be separate unto him and not to try to join unequally with others. (Because it leads to arguments rather than greater output).
I'm just sharing it with you here in hopes that you have eyes to see and ears to hear MORE than what you were taught.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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That was what others told me to expect, so yes, I went "shabala kala" and they said, "now you have the gift of tongues". 
When I first spoke in tongues the guy who baptized me said "Try saying this" and he rattled off something in tongues, which I repeated 90% by rote memorization...but there was that small portion that I k,we wasn't what he'd said. And I wondered where those pieces came from.
From my perspective, I didn't think that would count because I felt I was repeating, not speaking. But they said continue to use what youve got and God will give you more. Well I had to repeat that "sentence" over and over and over for about 3 months until God could finally get me to relax enough to let him take over. THEN I could speak in tongues fluently like the others.
It sounds like you have a similar experience of struggling to let it flow, and wondering if it is really tongues.
To deal with the second part (even after I could do it fluently) I decided that I would keep using it to see if it produced the benefits promised in 1 Corinthians 14 and Romans 8. For examples:
- Does doing it (abundantly) build me up? Yep. I found that to be true.
- Does doing it help (work on) my infirmities (weak areas)?. Yep. I found that the more I spoke in tongues, the more God would do for me, including speak to me when I was too dense for other methods. (That was nice).
TEST what you have (through sustained use) and find out for real what the results are. Don't guess. Find out. Discover. Experience. Taste and see that the Lord is good.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
That was what others told me to expect, so yes, I went "shabala kala" and they said, "now you have the gift of tongues".
And I'm still operating on the idea and hope that you were sincere.
Hebrews 6:9 KJV
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Of course I am sincere, I am curious how you form your doctrine thru this discussion.
Paul himself stated in 1 Cor 12:30 that not all will speak in tongues, even during that Acts transitional period.
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
You have a different understanding, again, of that verse? Care to explain?
Paul himself stated in 1 Cor 12:30 that not all will speak in tongues, even during that Acts transitional period.
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
You have a different understanding, again, of that verse? Care to explain?
I'll say this much more on the topic for @Guojing:
Part of the problem for me was allowing myself to say syllables that I knew weren't intelligble speech, on purpose. That seemed counterproductive so I intellectually resisted that.
Your "sentence" was at least a willingness to allow those types of syllables to come out your mouth.
There is a value to that.
(So much more to say)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Part of the problem for me was allowing myself to say syllables that I knew weren't intelligble speech, on purpose. That seemed counterproductive so I intellectually resisted that.
Your "sentence" was at least a willingness to allow those types of syllables to come out your mouth.
There is a value to that.
(So much more to say)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Yes, as I said to eternally grateful,
In 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 he's talking about the additional gifts. He starts by talking about diversities of tongues and he restated the list still talking about diversities of tongues.
If otherwise youve got the same problem of explaining why God gave an "only to some people" gift to EACH AND EVERY person of the original 120-ish disciples in Acts 2:4
In 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 he's talking about the additional gifts. He starts by talking about diversities of tongues and he restated the list still talking about diversities of tongues.
If otherwise youve got the same problem of explaining why God gave an "only to some people" gift to EACH AND EVERY person of the original 120-ish disciples in Acts 2:4
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Have you ever wondered why Paul when addressing the Church's, he sends salutations to people, and he never ever says from the Holy Spirit. He always says "peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. Never once mentioning the Holy Spirit. That is because the Holy Spirit is what God gives you. It is not a person coming into you. Jus food for thought.
Oh I have no problem with that. As I said, Acts is a transitional period between Israel's gospel of the kingdom, and when the nation finally reject that gospel by the time Acts 28 came along, and the gospel of the grace of God going on to the gentile world.
As Paul further explained in 1 Cor 14:21-22, tongues as a known foreign language was used in the OT as a sign to unbelieving Israel, going back to Isaiah.
But to understand your doctrine, let's go back to that Scripture
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
So, to understand what you are saying, even though Paul said in vs 28 that some in the church will have diversities of tongues, you don't regard vs 30 as reinforcing that point, but instead, you are claiming that Paul is actually saying that EVERYONE in the church will have the gift of speaking in tongues?
Did I understand you correctly?
As Paul further explained in 1 Cor 14:21-22, tongues as a known foreign language was used in the OT as a sign to unbelieving Israel, going back to Isaiah.
But to understand your doctrine, let's go back to that Scripture
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
So, to understand what you are saying, even though Paul said in vs 28 that some in the church will have diversities of tongues, you don't regard vs 30 as reinforcing that point, but instead, you are claiming that Paul is actually saying that EVERYONE in the church will have the gift of speaking in tongues?
Did I understand you correctly?
Then can you explain again how you would conclude that Paul is saying everyone will have the gift of tongues from that passage?
My understanding of what tongues is, I will interpret vs 28 as referring to the known foreign languages in the world, as the account in Acts 2:6-11 stated.
But You will probably say diversities in heavenly languages?
My understanding of what tongues is, I will interpret vs 28 as referring to the known foreign languages in the world, as the account in Acts 2:6-11 stated.
But You will probably say diversities in heavenly languages?
When did I ever say that 1 Corinthians 28,29 or 30 is stating that everyone will have the gift of tongues?
Spoiler: I didn't.
I said it is speaking about DIVERSITIES of tongues which is NOT the same as unknown tongues. If it is talking about diversities of tongues it is NOT talking about unknown tongues. Because they are NOT the same thing.
You could tell me that you think I'm wrong about that and that would be acceptable to me but to simply be misunderstood over and over is frustrating.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Spoiler: I didn't.
I said it is speaking about DIVERSITIES of tongues which is NOT the same as unknown tongues. If it is talking about diversities of tongues it is NOT talking about unknown tongues. Because they are NOT the same thing.
You could tell me that you think I'm wrong about that and that would be acceptable to me but to simply be misunderstood over and over is frustrating.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
The nation Israel just crucified the son of God. But because Jesus asked the father to forgive them at the cross, God the father gave Israel another chance, thru the Holy Spirit ministry to repent for that sin (acts 2:36), acknowledge Jesus is the son of God, and be water baptized.
So just as God used the Assyrian language to speak to them during their first exile, known foreign languages were being used in acts 2 to unbelieving Israel
So just as God used the Assyrian language to speak to them during their first exile, known foreign languages were being used in acts 2 to unbelieving Israel
To me personally, telling people they are wrong serves little purpose other than to antagonize them. All of us are sharing our different understanding of scripture here.
People misunderstand me all the time here. But when they do, I try to think that, perhaps what I thought was clear to me are unclear to them, and it’s not their fault because they cannot read my mind.
So I will try to explain again, perhaps in other ways. By attempting so, I actually learn more from that.
People misunderstand me all the time here. But when they do, I try to think that, perhaps what I thought was clear to me are unclear to them, and it’s not their fault because they cannot read my mind.
So I will try to explain again, perhaps in other ways. By attempting so, I actually learn more from that.