Did the apostles teach baptism?
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Heres were your going wrong. I used to read the bible this way also, many do .
This just one example how many approach the scriptures.
Its best realised in a question.
You say ////The purpose of this “one baptism” (the baptism of Christ), which (Ephesians 4:5) speaks of, was to empower people, as Jesus told the apostles, “Ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit is come upon you”///
The question who did Jesus tell this would happen to ? The clue is in who Jesus was speaking to and who the ' you ' is . Which refers to who Jesus is speaking to . Begins with A and ends with postles.
This just one example how many approach the scriptures.
Its best realised in a question.
You say ////The purpose of this “one baptism” (the baptism of Christ), which (Ephesians 4:5) speaks of, was to empower people, as Jesus told the apostles, “Ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit is come upon you”///
The question who did Jesus tell this would happen to ? The clue is in who Jesus was speaking to and who the ' you ' is . Which refers to who Jesus is speaking to . Begins with A and ends with postles.
Great site you have there in the footnotes. And no parentheses. 
https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/JOHN+3.html#footnote_181955953_3
21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." [8]22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
What if? What if the parable spoken of and to Nicodemus regarding being born again, born of water, is because while Jesus was yet alive not yet crucified at this point he was referring to being born again through the rite of baptism? Going down in water a sinner dead in their sins. Rising purified, their sins washed clean, as a pre-crucifixion teaching.
We are not born of water alone from our mothers womb. The water breaks first. We are born of blood after.
Maybe see the correlation then to that teaching we're discussing in John 3? And later when Jesus was crucified and resurrected, he conquered death that he entered through the shedding of his blood unto death.
And now, when we are baptized we are taught we are being buried and resurrected as was Christ. We rise having conquered the death that befalls us when we die in our sins. For now they have been washed clean by the blood of Jesus.
What's one major component in human blood? Plasma. What is the main percentage of component 90-92%, in Plasma? Water.
Humans physiology is 3/4ths, or about 60% water.
https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/JOHN+3.html#footnote_181955953_321But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." [8]22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
What if? What if the parable spoken of and to Nicodemus regarding being born again, born of water, is because while Jesus was yet alive not yet crucified at this point he was referring to being born again through the rite of baptism? Going down in water a sinner dead in their sins. Rising purified, their sins washed clean, as a pre-crucifixion teaching.
We are not born of water alone from our mothers womb. The water breaks first. We are born of blood after.
Maybe see the correlation then to that teaching we're discussing in John 3? And later when Jesus was crucified and resurrected, he conquered death that he entered through the shedding of his blood unto death.
And now, when we are baptized we are taught we are being buried and resurrected as was Christ. We rise having conquered the death that befalls us when we die in our sins. For now they have been washed clean by the blood of Jesus.
What's one major component in human blood? Plasma. What is the main percentage of component 90-92%, in Plasma? Water.
Humans physiology is 3/4ths, or about 60% water.
I think it is purposeful quite frankly. Cloaked as that which is misconstrued in order to interject confusion for those who may be here to learn how Christians interact with one another, and perhaps to learn something about the word of God from participating Christians.
Part of the reason for this misconstruction of God's word is in my view allegiance to denominational teachings.
Paul said, there is no Jew, no Greek, no Gentile, no man, nor woman, because we Christians are all as one in Jesus Christ.
Yet, look what divides the one church. Churches aligned under the banner of a particular denominational construct.
Part of the reason for this misconstruction of God's word is in my view allegiance to denominational teachings.
Paul said, there is no Jew, no Greek, no Gentile, no man, nor woman, because we Christians are all as one in Jesus Christ.
Yet, look what divides the one church. Churches aligned under the banner of a particular denominational construct.
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you're really sticking with "the Bible is contradictory & wrong" and you get to choose for yourself which part to believe and which part to reject?
why then do you bother reading it or quoting it.
why then do you bother reading it or quoting it.
This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things;
and we know that his testimony is true.
(John 21:24)
That water baptism is a work of righteousness? That you are equating Baptism to works salvation?
I condemn your blasphemy with every fiber of my being. Titus 3 in no way supports that. Eternally grateful? For what? When you say such things and contradict the Lord himself.
God help you.
See that? Capital G! Not lower case g as atheists and pagans use in order to dismiss the sovereignty of God.
I condemn your blasphemy with every fiber of my being. Titus 3 in no way supports that. Eternally grateful? For what? When you say such things and contradict the Lord himself.
God help you.
See that? Capital G! Not lower case g as atheists and pagans use in order to dismiss the sovereignty of God.
just so we can be clear here:
do you believe the Bible is corrupted, untrustworthy & contradicts itself?
and we're not talking about difficult-to-translate portions or hard-to-interpret sayings, and not variations in copied manuscripts, but you believe there outright completely fabricated additions in the scripture that make it 100% contrary to itself?
do you believe the Bible is corrupted, untrustworthy & contradicts itself?
and we're not talking about difficult-to-translate portions or hard-to-interpret sayings, and not variations in copied manuscripts, but you believe there outright completely fabricated additions in the scripture that make it 100% contrary to itself?
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Titus 3 says not by works of righteousness which we have done but by HIS MERCY he saved us by the washing and new birth of the HS
water baptism is a work of righteousness, just like obedience to all of gods commands are.
it Seems we spoke before about another topic, and you have not changed one bit, I ignored you then, I have no issue doing the same here, you have nothing to teach me
water baptism is a work of righteousness, just like obedience to all of gods commands are.
it Seems we spoke before about another topic, and you have not changed one bit, I ignored you then, I have no issue doing the same here, you have nothing to teach me
Great site you have there in the footnotes. And no parentheses. https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/JOHN+3.html#footnote_181955953_3
21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." [8]22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/JOHN+3.html#footnote_181955953_321But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." [8]22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
why do you trust John chapter 3 when you say John chapter 4 is lies?
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Your words not mine once more.
John 4:1 Now when Jesus[a] knew that the Pharisees[b] had heard that he[c] was winning[d] and baptizing more disciples than John 2 (although Jesus himself was not baptizing, but his disciples were),[e] 3 he left Judea and set out once more for Galilee.[f]
FOOTNOTE
sn This is a parenthetical note by the author.
You appear to be that one that has an issue with John 3 and prefer that of John 4 and its authors parenthetical addition .
Further Testimony About Jesus by John the Baptist
John 3: 22After this,[au] Jesus and his disciples came into Judean territory, and there he spent time with them and was baptizing. 23 John[av] was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim,[aw] because water was plentiful there, and people were coming[ax] to him[ay] and being baptized. 24 (For John had not yet been thrown into prison.)[az]
FOOTNOTE
sn[az] This is a parenthetical note by the author.
Do you want to argue that John was speaking third person of himself there?
John 4:1 Now when Jesus[a] knew that the Pharisees[b] had heard that he[c] was winning[d] and baptizing more disciples than John 2 (although Jesus himself was not baptizing, but his disciples were),[e] 3 he left Judea and set out once more for Galilee.[f]
FOOTNOTE
sn This is a parenthetical note by the author.
You appear to be that one that has an issue with John 3 and prefer that of John 4 and its authors parenthetical addition .
Further Testimony About Jesus by John the Baptist
John 3: 22After this,[au] Jesus and his disciples came into Judean territory, and there he spent time with them and was baptizing. 23 John[av] was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim,[aw] because water was plentiful there, and people were coming[ax] to him[ay] and being baptized. 24 (For John had not yet been thrown into prison.)[az]
FOOTNOTE
sn[az] This is a parenthetical note by the author.
Do you want to argue that John was speaking third person of himself there?
Oh, I did answer the pertinent questions as pertains to Baptism and John 3&4.
As to your question as to me answering what are your own words and are nothing I've actually written? No I can't answer why you feel that is necessary to write your own words and then ask me to answer for them as you then attribute them to me.
That's just not something I can comprehend.
Ask yourself why you do that.
As to your question as to me answering what are your own words and are nothing I've actually written? No I can't answer why you feel that is necessary to write your own words and then ask me to answer for them as you then attribute them to me.
That's just not something I can comprehend.
Ask yourself why you do that.
Just an FYI dear,
you don't understand what this footnote is saying.
John is the author of John. He says so himself in John.
There is no manuscript disagreement about John 4:2, even the peschita reads exactly the same.
The NET note is a superfluous reminder that the fact Jesus Himself wasn't baptizing isn't directly related to their travel plans, but mentioned here as an aside.
The footnote is not saying 'the word of God has been tampered with and a lie inserted here but every version of the Bible ever leaves it in anyway'
you don't understand what this footnote is saying.
John is the author of John. He says so himself in John.
There is no manuscript disagreement about John 4:2, even the peschita reads exactly the same.
The NET note is a superfluous reminder that the fact Jesus Himself wasn't baptizing isn't directly related to their travel plans, but mentioned here as an aside.
The footnote is not saying 'the word of God has been tampered with and a lie inserted here but every version of the Bible ever leaves it in anyway'
Lord. You even close with your own words as if I in any way said that.
As to John, I'll go with what Zondervan Academic observed. This with regard to the book of John written as the last in the literature comprising the new testament Gospel books and per fragment P52 dated to 110–130 A.D. The Gospel of John provides no explicit internal evidence concerning its author. John, the disciple, is nowhere identified by name.
As to John, I'll go with what Zondervan Academic observed. This with regard to the book of John written as the last in the literature comprising the new testament Gospel books and per fragment P52 dated to 110–130 A.D. The Gospel of John provides no explicit internal evidence concerning its author. John, the disciple, is nowhere identified by name.
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He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 NASB1995
https://bible.com/bible/100/tit.3.5.NASB1995
"Washing of regeneration" is baptism.
And renewing by the Holy Spirit
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Titus 3:5 NASB1995
https://bible.com/bible/100/tit.3.5.NASB1995
"Washing of regeneration" is baptism.
And renewing by the Holy Spirit
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/and,(ə)n/
conjunction
conjunction: and
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used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences, that are to be taken jointly.
"bread and butter"
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together with
along with
with
as well as
in addition to
including
also
too
besides
furthermore
moreover
plus
what's more
used to connect two clauses when the second happens after the first.
"he turned around and walked out"
used to connect two clauses, the second of which results from the first.
"do that once more, and I'll skin you alive"
connecting two identical comparatives, to emphasize a progressive change.
"getting better and better"
connecting two identical words, implying great duration or great extent.
"I cried and cried"
used to connect two identical words to indicate that things of the same name or class have different qualities.
"all human conduct is determined or caused—but there are causes and causes"
used to connect two numbers to indicate that they are being added together.
"six and four make ten"
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