When are we saved ?

[OIC1965]

I agree. It also seems like some terms (such as election) come under scrutiny and are defined in various ways by different camps, and that leads to disagreements also.

Yes. We should define our terms and allow others to define their terms without defining them for them

Not directed at you.

 

[OIC1965]

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The door is there if we desire it.

 

[throughfaith]

Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 2 Corinthians 10:15 affirms that faith grows over time. Also 2 Peter 3:18affirms growth ~ But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Col 2.10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

 

[throughfaith]

Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the breast, and drawn from the breasts, For precept is upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

A new born babe in Christ has to grow into maturity, the same way that a newborn natural baby does. The newborn babes in Christ experience a deliverance (salvation), not eternal, but here in this world, when they come unto a knowledge of God's righteousness,

I've no idea what your saying here ?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

you say ///That's just it! people do not become children of God, by faith in Christ./// the bible says different in John 1.12 ? It kinda works like this example . I say to my child. " if you tidy your room ,I will take you to the park " . The prerequisite is ' tidy your room ' Now the tidying of the room ' does not ' cause ' them to go to the park ' . I take them to the park. Even better . All God requires from us ,is that we believe on his Son . Then God saves us . The believing does not ' cause ' the regeneration. God regenerates after we believe. Believing is the prerequisite That pleases God.

And you are affirming that John 1:12 harmonizes with 1 Cor 2:14. Shame. Shame. We have already talked about this. There is the unbelieving regenerated child of God, and there is the believing regenerated son of God. Verse 13 tells us who it is that believes, and it is those which were (past tense) born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man (the natural man), but of God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I've no idea what your saying here ?

Of course you don't. Reference; Luke 10:21 Rom 10:1-4

 

[throughfaith]

And you are affirming that John 1:12 harmonizes with 1 Cor 2:14. Shame. Shame. We have already talked about this. There is the unbelieving regenerated child of God, and there is the believing regenerated son of God. Verse 13 tells us who it is that believes, and it is those which were (past tense) born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man (the natural man), but of God.

What on earth is unbelieving regenerated child of God ? What does he not believe?

 

[throughfaith]

Of course you don't. Reference; Luke 10:21 Rom 10:1-4

Thats exactly what the Jehovah's_Witnesses say " oh we know the ' ones ' Jehovah has sent to us , we look out for the ' sheep like ones '

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What on earth is unbelieving regenerated child of God ? What does he not believe?

He is a regenerated babe "IN CHRIST" who is still feeding on the milk of the word and has not been taught a knowledge of the righteousness of God (the gospel).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Thats exactly what the Jehovah's_Witnesses say " oh we know the ' ones ' Jehovah has sent to us , we look out for the ' sheep like ones '

I really don't know what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and could care less.

 

[throughfaith]

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

 

[OIC1965]

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

When we believe.

 

[OIC1965]

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

1 John 5:13

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

John 11:23-26
King James Version

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

you say ///That's just it! people do not become children of God, by faith in Christ./// the bible says different in John 1.12 ? It kinda works like this example . I say to my child. " if you tidy your room ,I will take you to the park " . The prerequisite is ' tidy your room ' Now the tidying of the room ' does not ' cause ' them to go to the park ' . I take them to the park. Even better . All God requires from us ,is that we believe on his Son . Then God saves us . The believing does not ' cause ' the regeneration. God regenerates after we believe. Believing is the prerequisite That pleases God.

You got the cart before the horse.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What on earth is unbelieving regenerated child of God ? What does he not believe?

In the things of the Spirit, all of the things of the Spirit.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Sorry I meant John 11:25-26

 

[ForestGreenCook]

In the things of the Spirit, all of the things of the Spirit.

Sorry, I answered that wrong. I answered as if it were the unregenerate man.

 

[throughfaith]

In the things of the Spirit, all of the things of the Spirit.

Believers can understand things of the Spirit if they actually study the bible.

 

[TMS]

Do we recieve eternal life now or when we are glorified?

We are saved second by second so we are saved by faith now. but we can also loss it from second to second.
We are rewarded at the second coming.
Judgement for each person takes place when our probation closes. Eternal life begins at the second coming.