Is Emmet Fox a heretic?????

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They are reading excepts from his book "sermon on the mount" at our businessmens bible study.

I am getting red flags galore, but all the others defend him.
I found that one of his "predecessors " Ralph waldo Emerson, was a transcedentalist,and associated with "unity",a trinity denying cult.
Anyone got any info on Emmet?
 
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Transcendentalism
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Transcendentalism is an American literary, philosophical, religious, and political movement of the early nineteenth century, centered around Ralph Waldo Emerson. Other important transcendentalists were Henry David Thoreau, Margaret Fuller, Lydia Maria Child, Amos Bronson Alcott, Frederic Henry Hedge, Elizabeth Palmer Peabody, and Theodore Parker. Stimulated by English and German Romanticism, the Biblical criticism of Herder and Schleiermacher, and the skepticism of Hume, the transcendentalists operated with the sense that a new era was at hand. They were critics of their contemporary society for its unthinking conformity, and urged that each person find, in Emerson’s words, “an original relation to the universe” (O, 3). Emerson and Thoreau sought this relation in solitude amidst nature, and in their writing. By the 1840s they, along with other transcendentalists, were engaged in the social experiments of Brook Farm, Fruitlands, and Walden; and, by the 1850s in an increasingly urgent critique of American slavery.
 
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Emmet seemed to be connected to unity church.
Seemed to be either a founder or Influence in AA.
He is definately a metaphysics adherent.
Anyone know anything about him ?
 
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Absolutely said:
Emmet seemed to be connected to unity church.
Seemed to be either a founder or Influence in AA.
He is definately a metaphysics adherent.
Anyone know anything about him ?
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Mr. Fox is not a founder of AA. An American physician and surgeon named Robert Holbrook Smith, also known as Dr. Bob, founded Alcoholics Anonymous with Bill Wilson, also known as Bill W. I have not heard of Emmet Fox being connected to or an influence within AA. And that is after more than 30 years of attending meetings ;) That is not to say I have never known anyone who read anything he wrote.
 
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Magenta said:
He is not a founder of AA. An American physician and surgeon named Robert Holbrook Smith, also known as Dr. Bob, founded Alcoholics Anonymous with Bill Wilson, also known as Bill W. I have not heard of him being connected to or an influence within AA.
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Ok thanks
I think his influence could be that they may use his material or something. Not sure.
But that is not really bothering me.
I am seeing his books read in our businessmen bible class.
I am EXTREMELY unsettled in my spirit.
 
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Ok thanks
I think his influence could be that they may use his material or something. Not sure.
But that is not really bothering me.
I am seeing his books read in our businessmen bible class.
I am EXTREMELY unsettled in my spirit.
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Well, I am not aware of AA using his material, but certain groups may read from his work? I just found this (<- link) where it says: To this day there are AA groups that distribute Fox's pamphlets along with Conference-approved AA literature. But I would not think something like that is wide-spread. Some of AA's steps were originally adopted and added to from an evangelical Christian group (the Oxford Group).
 
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Ok thanks
I think his influence could be that they may use his material or something. Not sure.
But that is not really bothering me.
I am seeing his books read in our businessmen bible class.
I am EXTREMELY unsettled in my spirit.
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I'm so sorry to hear that. Is it possible for you to voice your discomfort? Maybe the others will concede out of brotherly kindness and choose something else to read? Normally we can't change these things, if your spirit is repulsed, it is what it is. You can't force yourself to like something if it isn't edifying to you.

I tried to figure what he is about, but too many -isms, it's kind of going over my head... o_O
 
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SoulWeaver said:
I'm so sorry to hear that. Is it possible for you to voice your discomfort? Maybe the others will concede out of brotherly kindness and choose something else to read? Normally we can't change these things, if your spirit is repulsed, it is what it is. You can't force yourself to like something if it isn't edifying to you.

I tried to figure what he is about, but too many -isms, it's kind of going over my head... o_O
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Yep
I am even unsettled researching him...lol.
Too tedious and slippery.
99%of the web is promoting his mess.

He says good things...but the spiritual roots are like rotten wood.
 
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Magenta said:
Well, I am not aware of AA using his material, but certain groups may read from his work? I just found this (<- link) where it says: To this day there are AA groups that distribute Fox's pamphlets along with Conference-approved AA literature. But I would not think something like that is wide-spread. Some of AA's steps were originally adopted and added to from an evangelical Christian group (the Oxford Group).
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I do appreciate that. Thanks
 
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apparently he had a church called Divine Science

he is referred to as a 'new thought' spiritual leader; apparently went to a Jesuit secondary school (problem right there I would think)

sounds iffy to me and it seems other posters as well

you get a feel for what is and what is not godly after a while and if the hairs on the back of your neck are standing up, probably a good reason for it

plenty about him on the web though
 
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He surely isn't fit for a teacher. He believed in contacting the dead, among other things, rejecting blood atonement, and other weird beliefs. This is a pretty good page that sums it up without confusion. Looks to me like the Spirit in you said No!
 
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What do ya expect from a business men's bible group, that's an exclusive niche.
I'm gonna start a Bible group and call it 6'-2" Bible study group. Maybe my wife can start a rural stay at home wives of diesel mechanics with 3 grown children and one teen Bible study group.
 
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What do ya expect from a business men's bible group, that's an exclusive niche.
I'm gonna start a Bible group and call it 6'-2" Bible study group. Maybe my wife can start a rural stay at home wives of diesel mechanics with 3 grown children and one teen Bible study group.
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Then Jesus was really off the wall for a fishermen,tax collector group?

Not sure what you are trying to do.

Should they all be like you or something?
 
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Anyone got any info on Emmet?
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Here is a quote from one of his books. He did not encourage a literal reading of Scripture:

"If we read the Bible literally, cautions Fox, we miss the eternal power and personal relevance found in its symbols, allegories, and parables. "Whether you realize it or not," he writes, "you are on every page from Genesis to Revelation." Fox shows how to read dramatic biblical stories as symbolic diagrams for living that can "show you how to overcome difficulties and problems, and how to give expression to the deep aspirations that lie hidden in your soul." This power to reveal, inspire, and guide makes the Bible's teachings adaptable to everyone at every stage of spiritual development. "
 
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Then Jesus was really off the wall for a fishermen,tax collector group?

Not sure what you are trying to do.

Should they all be like you or something?
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Nope, I don't want anyone to be like me. I sin, I fail, I stumble. Yep contrary to what some may say, I'm pretty much a mess.
My point is that humans even Bible study groups can find themselves outta balance sometimes, even if they are a closely associated group of like minded people. If it's comprised of humans it's likely that there will be tendency toward error. All you can do if you see the group trending into error is say hey guys we are getting off track here. In other words if you are the one to see it, then it's you duty to with all good conscience be the one to say something.

That is all.
 
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Even Peter had to be corrected by Paul when he got into group mode with his contemporaries.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Nope, I don't want anyone to be like me. I sin, I fail, I stumble. Yep contrary to what some may say, I'm pretty much a mess.
My point is that humans even Bible study groups can find themselves outta balance sometimes, even if they are a closely associated group of like minded people. If it's comprised of humans it's likely that there will be tendency toward error. All you can do if you see the group trending into error is say hey guys we are getting off track here. In other words if you are the one to see it, then it's you duty to with all good conscience be the one to say something.

That is all.
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Even if you are told your input is "ignorant" and to butt out :giggle:
 
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They are reading excepts from his book "sermon on the mount" at our businessmens bible study.

I am getting red flags galore, but all the others defend him.
I found that one of his "predecessors " Ralph waldo Emerson, was a transcedentalist,and associated with "unity",a trinity denying cult.
Anyone got any info on Emmet?
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No idea who this person is and I have no interest in researching them.
If your spirit is unsettled, then listen to it. I've had the same thing once when a congregation I attended held meetings in my house teaching about Holy Spirit from one of those Bethel guys, I couldn't stand it but I put with it for a little while, then we left that congregation. In hindsight I shouldve spoken up my concern, I would do that now, God has helped me with boldness over the years, still have a long way to go though hehe.
As others have already suggested, voice your concern, you'll soon find out if you belong there.
 
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