Propitiation – The Sacrifice that Atoned

[GraceAndTruth]

Understanding of this ONE WORD forever refutes the false teaching that Christ died for every single person. That Christ died for all men is true, but the “all men” He died for were all believers. All of that group.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

God is immutably just and His moral excellence demands punishment or expiation for sin.
( to expiate a sin is to make atonement for, reconciling the offender to God)​

Satisfaction of God’s justice is necessary if sin is to be forgiven.
Christ was set forth as the propitiation in order that God might be just in justifying the ungodly. If sin could be pardoned without satisfaction “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21)

No other propitiation is needed and no other is possible.

Expiation and propitiation go together. The sinner is expiated by the atonement, and God’s justice is propitiated.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed v26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text) John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations.

If Christ was the propitiation for EVERY man, then every man is justified and is not under wrath, for this is the true meaning of propitiation: that Christ reconciled man to God by His blood, and the reconciled man is not under judgment but is saved from wrath

example: when the priests of the OT made sacrifice (propitiation) for the people, it was for a PARTICULAR people of a particular group, and not for ALL people.

 

[throughfaith]

Understanding of this ONE WORD forever refutes the false teaching that Christ died for every single person. That Christ died for all men is true, but the “all men” He died for were all believers. All of that group.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

God is immutably just and His moral excellence demands punishment or expiation for sin.
( to expiate a sin is to make atonement for, reconciling the offender to God)​

Satisfaction of God’s justice is necessary if sin is to be forgiven.
Christ was set forth as the propitiation in order that God might be just in justifying the ungodly. If sin could be pardoned without satisfaction “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21)

No other propitiation is needed and no other is possible.

Expiation and propitiation go together. The sinner is expiated by the atonement, and God’s justice is propitiated.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed v26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text) John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations.

If Christ was the propitiation for EVERY man, then every man is justified and is not under wrath, for this is the true meaning of propitiation: that Christ reconciled man to God by His blood, and the reconciled man is not under judgment but is saved from wrath

example: when the priests of the OT made sacrifice (propitiation) for the people, it was for a PARTICULAR people of a particular group, and not for ALL people.

The atonement does not save ..unless you recieve it . Rom 5 .11 . Jesus died for the whole world. But unless they receive the Atonement then they will not be glorified.
Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The priest made propitiation for all isreal

jesus made propitiation for the whole world

all is is forgiven all men but one, the sin if unbelief

at the great white throne they are NT judged for sins, but for each work they did, and found wanting, why? They did not believe

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The priest made propitiation for all isreal

jesus made propitiation for the whole world

all is is forgiven all men but one, the sin if unbelief

at the great white throne they are NT judged for sins, but for each work they did, and found wanting, why? They did not believe

According to you:
The priests went into the holy of holies and offered the blood sacrifice for everyone in Israel.
Everyone is forgiven so Jesus died needlessly
The one sin is blasphemy
The only people being judged at the White Throne will be those non-believers. They will be confronted with their sin so they know the judgement on them is deserved.

John 3:18 those who believe are NOT under judgement
those who do not believe have been judged already (to be revealed at the White Throne)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

my answers in blue

@GraceAndTruth , post: 4400753, member: 228909"]According to you:
The priests went into the holy of holies and offered the blood sacrifice for everyone in Israel. Yes, although the blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone, it was symbolic only

Everyone is forgiven so Jesus died needlessly false, never said such a thing if you think so you did not read my post

The one sin is blasphemy. Again, the unforgivable sin is balsphemy. Jesus words not mine You twisted my words

The only people being judged at the White Throne will be those non-believers. They will be confronted with their sin so they know the judgement on them is deserved. Again, false, they will not be confronted with their sin, they will be judged for their works and found lacking, their works could not pay for their sin, thus they remain in condemned state Because they did not believe

John 3:18 those who believe are NOT under judgement
those who do not believe have been judged already (to be revealed at the White Throne

since believers will not be delievered to Christ for judgment, the only people there are unbelievers, God gives them a fair trial, and judges them for their works

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The atonement does not save ..unless you recieve it . Rom 5 .11 . Jesus died for the whole world. But unless they receive the Atonement then they will not be glorified.
Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

The atonement is the ONLY reason for redemption to be possible.
The shed blood of Christ is the covering that makes us acceptable to God.
Without that blood, our sins are still upon us and we are guilty as charged.

God looks upon His believers THROUGH the blood of Christ, the complete covering for our sin.
The sin debt paid in full by the propitiation.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

my answers in blue

@GraceAndTruth , post: 4400753, member: 228909"]According to you:
The priests went into the holy of holies and offered the blood sacrifice for everyone in Israel. Yes, although the blood of bulls and goats never saved anyone, it was symbolic only

Everyone is forgiven so Jesus died needlessly false, never said such a thing if you think so you did not read my post

The one sin is blasphemy. Again, the unforgivable sin is balsphemy. Jesus words not mine You twisted my words

The only people being judged at the White Throne will be those non-believers. They will be confronted with their sin so they know the judgement on them is deserved. Again, false, they will not be confronted with their sin, they will be judged for their works and found lacking, their works could not pay for their sin, thus they remain in condemned state Because they did not believe

John 3:18 those who believe are NOT under judgement
those who do not believe have been judged already (to be revealed at the White Throne

since believers will not be delievered to Christ for judgment, the only people there are unbelievers, God gives them a fair trial, and judges them for their works

You twist your own words. You don't know the definition of propitiation

 

[throughfaith]

The atonement is the ONLY reason for redemption to be possible.
The shed blood of Christ is the covering that makes us acceptable to God.
Without that blood, our sins are still upon us and we are guilty as charged.

God looks upon His believers THROUGH the blood of Christ, the complete covering for our sin.
The sin debt paid in full by the propitiation.

Could you walk through what your saying from scripture please?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You twist your own words. You don't know the definition of propitiation

I don’t twist anything, your the one who twisted.

propitiation in the greek

the means or place of forgiveness, to expiate, the mercy seat,

Christ was the atoning sacrifice who through his death made propitiation of all sins, that the righteousness of Christ might be given to those who believe,

the same forgiveness is offered to all, but not all will recieve it

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already why? Because of sin? No, because they did not believe,

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Could you walk through what your saying from scripture please?

The blood of Christ IS the propitiation

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed
v 26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text)
***John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations

Romans 5:9 “we have now been justified by his blood.”

Ephesians 1:7 says, “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses.”

You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. (1 Peter 1:18–19)

 

[throughfaith]

You twist your own words. You don't know the definition of propitiation

Your offering me theology. Could you give the scriptures please. I believe the atonement was made for every single person . Head for head. The entire cosmos . But we have to revieve . Through faith . Rom 5
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

 

[throughfaith]

The blood of Christ IS the propitiation

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed
v 26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text)
***John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations

Romans 5:9 “we have now been justified by his blood.”

Ephesians 1:7 says, “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses.”

You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. (1 Peter 1:18–19)

Yes to all those verses . But unless we recieve the atonement then we will not be glorified. We are justified by faith . You did not receive anything that happened 2000 years ago . Until You believed .
2cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20¶Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God in him.
WE have to BE reconciled TO God be receiving Jesus. John 1.12 .
But still notice Jesus has dealt with the sin of the world ..Again the atonement does not save . It does not glorify anyone.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

I don’t twist anything, your the one who twisted.

propitiation in the greek

the means or place of forgiveness, to expiate, the mercy seat,

Christ was the atoning sacrifice who through his death made propitiation of all sins, that the righteousness of Christ might be given to those who believe,

the same forgiveness is offered to all, but not all will recieve it

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already why? Because of sin? No, because they did not believe,

the same forgiveness is offered to all, but not all will recieve it <-----Your words, words you will never find in the bible.

I don't know what your beef is. You either know that the propitiation was the blood of Christ or you think His death was. I'm not sure by your statement. Your definition of propitiation was too narrow.

 

[throughfaith]

The blood of Christ IS the propitiation

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed
v 26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text)
***John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations

Romans 5:9 “we have now been justified by his blood.”

Ephesians 1:7 says, “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses.”

You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. (1 Peter 1:18–19)

14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

 

[throughfaith]

The blood of Christ IS the propitiation

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loves us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.

Romans 3:25 (Jesus Christ) whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed
v 26 that He might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefor He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make PROPITIATION for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world (read 1 John 2: 1-10 for the fullness of the text)
***John’s use of the wider sense of ‘world’ extends the propitiation into the future for God’s people in all generations

Romans 5:9 “we have now been justified by his blood.”

Ephesians 1:7 says, “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses.”

You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. (1 Peter 1:18–19)

1¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4¶Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

Notice the word ,' world ' How many times?
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole WORLD .

Are you saying that false spirits have only gone out in future generations ?
John uses the same greek word throughout.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Yes to all those verses . But unless we recieve the atonement then we will not be glorified. We are justified by faith . You did not receive anything that happened 2000 years ago . Until You believed .
2cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20¶Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God in him.
WE have to BE reconciled TO God be receiving Jesus. John 1.12 .
But still notice Jesus has dealt with the sin of the world ..Again the atonement does not save . It does not glorify anyone.

The moment you are born again the blood covers you.
The blood of Christ is the only atonement.
It is the blood that satisfied God's demand for payment of the penalty of sin.
Christ wiped out that sin debt with His blood.
Hebrews 9:22
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

 

[Magenta]

Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 10:9

 

[throughfaith]

The moment you are born again the blood covers you.
The blood of Christ is the only atonement.
It is the blood that satisfied God's demand for payment of the penalty of sin.
Christ wiped out that sin debt with His blood.
Hebrews 9:22
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Again I agree . This happened 2000 years ago correct ? Now read where you and I fit into that, in eph 2.11-12 .
Notice our condition until we believed. Even though Jesus had paid our sin debt including the whole worlds sin debt . This shows your misunderstanding the atonement.
And Hebrews 9 .22 is talking about the blood of animals just to be clear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the same forgiveness is offered to all, but not all will recieve it <-----Your words, words you will never find in the bible.

I don't know what your beef is. You either know that the propitiation was the blood of Christ or you think His death was. I'm not sure by your statement. Your definition of propitiation was too narrow.

You seem to have a comprehension problem. What I stated is true and is found all over scripture, And is proven in one passage

he who believes is not condemned, these are those who in faith receive the offer of propitiation, salvation, justification knew birth etc etc

who who does Not believe is condemned already because they have not believe...these are those who were offered the same things the first group were offered. But chose to reject in unbelief.

as for my defenition, I gave the Greek defenition, your argument is with them not me

 

[GraceAndTruth]

1¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4¶Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

Notice the word ,' world ' How many times?
World = 2889= KOSMOS = orderly arrangement, decoration,
ONLY BY IMPLICATION (meaning, the text determines the exact meaning) the world in the wide OR narrow sense, includes the inhabitants.
Ie: the wide sense would be the entire world…….the narrow sense would be a certain group of people

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only but also for those of the whole WORLD .
If the propitiation was for the whole world then everyone is saved from the penalth of their sin.