I'm afraid you lost me there. Forgive me. I've lost the context that you propose. I was reffering to complete sentences.
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I'm afraid you lost me there. Forgive me. I've lost the context that you propose. I was reffering to complete sentences.
Gods ' foreknowledge ' ? what does that do ? useful information? causative? . I see that we are not ' known ' as a son until we receive the Son .
Brother, you lost me again. I addressed God's CHOICE. I never used the word "predestination". Maybe you were answering somebody else.
Good. Then we agree. Faith comes from God. Since it costs nothing, it is a gift. But I suspect that you think that there are many kinds of faith. But we took a step forward.
Brother, I have a Meeting and have to go. I'll answer any later postings of yours around 10 p.m. tonight.
Take care.
I accept that the faith OF Jesus is one thing . But our faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 10 verse 8 The "word" (is this word a word about spiritual things?) Paul says that this "spiritual" word is in their heart. The stony heart of the unregenerate natural man cannot absorb spiritual things, but God has, through regeneration, given the newly born spiritual man a heart of flesh, that can be pricked to feel guilty, causing them to confess, and repent.
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Scripture?
from genesis to revelation that is the message.
you can make God whoever you want him to be, as paul said in Romans 1 God will not take away your feee will
i will take god for what he has shown to be from beginning to end.
loving merciful, long suffering, not willing than any should perish but all should come to life
if he does not offer it to all, then He goes against his will
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He has an issue with reading everyone through a calvinist lens. everyone has the same issue with him
Absolutely, it takes a lot of effort, and scriptures, to convince you that the natural man does not have faith in the things of the Spirit. I am so glad that you now understand that the natural man has no spiritual faith.
Go slowly . you add things that are then presupposition and not with scripture when you say /// The stony heart of the unregenerate natural man cannot absorb spiritual things, but God has, through regeneration, given the newly born spiritual man a heart of flesh, that can be pricked to feel guilty, causing them to confess, and repent.//_
Romans 10 .8 let's look at that scripture.
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Yes its the word of faith . The Gospel .
No thats a wild assumption that your trying to attach to that verse . Everyone has faith. its the object of faith that saves .
I by "our faith", you mean the faith of the regenerated man, then, Yes, the regenerated man's faith (which is a fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit), is counted for righteousness.
The reason why I keep harping on about the inductive method being the best method is demonstrated by the dangerous alternatives to reading the scriptures . Your doing " well it looks like we have this verse saying the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit ..The Gospel is of the spirit ,therefore, cannot understand the gospel..But the " what does the bible say without a presupposition method ? Well let's read 1cor 2 v6 and see what these ' THINGS are that are not being able to be understood at corinth . And we read 6¶Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: Ahh its WISDOM that those that are full grown and mature that understand..Then we read the full extent in the beginning of Chapter 3 ..Instead some folks use a knee jerk hermanutic that starts with a concept first and puts that onto the text . Don't you think Paul was more than capable of writing " The unsaved cannot believe the Gospel , so beware of this, don't go preaching until your blue in the face because its a waste of time, unless God regenerates them first. ?
If it is the gospel, in which I believe as you do that it is the gospel about the things of the Spirit, then verse 8 contradicts verse 14 of 1 Cor. The rebirth, which consists of the changing of the stony heart to a heart of flesh, Ezk 11:19, depicts the difference between the unregenerate natural man, and the regenerated spiritual man.
Paul is NOT referring to the Gospel when it says ' things of the spirit ' . V 6 explains what those things are . Paul is talking to people who are already saints . He's not saying " your loved ones that don't believe or anyone here who is not saved, you cannot amd they cannot believe the Gospel unless your regenerated first , so hard cheese if you thought otherwise. " No the ' things ' are the deeper things of God that carnal believer's struggle to understand.
You are defaulting me, because I use scriptures to explain other scriptures, but all scriptures are in the inspired word of God for a reason, and all of them should be considered. Why do you think that God's word said in 1 Cor 2:14 that the natural man CANNOT DISCERN the things of the Spirit? Instead of saying that the natural man cannot discern the DEEP THINGS OF GOD, BUT HE CAN DISCERN THE SHALLOW THINGS OF GOD? Is this the presupposition method you are using, that you claim I use?
You keep trying to use the scriptures to allow the unregenerate natural man to replace the regenerated babe in Christ, which are the ones that do not understand the deeper things of God, because they are living on the milk of the spiritual word and are not yet able to understand the deeper things, until they have been taught, by preachers who have been called by God.
Because it says THE things .
verse 10 also 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God .
The answer is here look in chapter 3 ( remember chapter divisions are not inspired)
1¶And I, brethren, COULD NOT !!!!! SPEAK unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Notice how it matches v 6 of chapter 2 .
6¶Howbeit WE SPEAK WISDOM among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
The whole point is COULD speak v COULD NOT speak . Can understand =Mature. v Unable= fleshy carnal.
Your making this way !!! complicated than is necessary.
Sorry, but you are going to have to be more specific, if I am able to understand what you are trying to show me in verse 6 that is not talking about things of the Spirit. You do, I assume, know that newly born regenerated babes in Christ see things through their carnal mind more than they do through their spiritual mind. That is why we are so diversified on this forum, because many are still regenerated babes in Christ.