Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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Two different types of baptism.
Jesus and his apostles went about baptizing. No mention of water in that verse either but we know it was water baptism.
I'm not going to belabor the point. I don't understand the issue against water baptism so I'll leave those with an issue to it.
Jesus and his apostles went about baptizing. No mention of water in that verse either but we know it was water baptism.
I'm not going to belabor the point. I don't understand the issue against water baptism so I'll leave those with an issue to it.
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Not all scripture that speaks of water baptism says, water. That doesn't mean water isn't a factor.
And I have no worries.
I've never said baptism saves.
I've said baptism is integral part of our salvation. If baptism didn't matter at all, Jesus wouldn't have made a point of speaking to its importance in our journey.
I'd think the fatality would actually occur from those teachings and teachers who insist water baptism is negligible.
And I have no worries.
I've never said baptism saves. I've said baptism is integral part of our salvation. If baptism didn't matter at all, Jesus wouldn't have made a point of speaking to its importance in our journey.
I'd think the fatality would actually occur from those teachings and teachers who insist water baptism is negligible.
Not all scripture that speaks of water baptism says, water. That doesn't mean water isn't a factor.
And I have no worries. I've never said baptism saves.
I've said baptism is integral part of our salvation. If baptism didn't matter at all, Jesus wouldn't have made a point of speaking to its importance in our journey.
I'd think the fatality would actually occur from those teachings and teachers who insist water baptism is negligible.
And I have no worries.
I've never said baptism saves.I've said baptism is integral part of our salvation. If baptism didn't matter at all, Jesus wouldn't have made a point of speaking to its importance in our journey.
I'd think the fatality would actually occur from those teachings and teachers who insist water baptism is negligible.
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You are free to believe as you will. I don't agree with your perception of my beliefs as you know.
I'll say this, when you or anyone here dismiss water baptism in any regard as relates to salvation, you're corrupting the message of Christ himself.
The sticky point that you enter in, it doesn't say water, is nonsense quite frankly.
The greek, the tense, the verb, etc... at the linked sites in this discussion make things pretty clear.
Personally, I think anyone who works at negating the importance of water baptism have not a prayer of championing much less understanding holy spirit baptism. Because they're using their own carnal ego's to supersede the holy spirit teacher that was God incarnate as Jesus who himself taught of the importance of water baptism.
Two different baptisms. No equivocation. No nonsense like saying in rebuttal to baptism passages, it doesn't say water...... It doesn't need to. That you and others refuse to see that makes me wonder.
I'm done belaboring this point. When you start off misrepresenting what I've actually said, you've actually not made a point against anything I've written about baptism.
Taking water baptism out of the scripture messages is offensive. You and others like you have my deepest sympathy.
We're done.
I'll say this, when you or anyone here dismiss water baptism in any regard as relates to salvation, you're corrupting the message of Christ himself.
The sticky point that you enter in, it doesn't say water, is nonsense quite frankly.
The greek, the tense, the verb, etc... at the linked sites in this discussion make things pretty clear.
Personally, I think anyone who works at negating the importance of water baptism have not a prayer of championing much less understanding holy spirit baptism. Because they're using their own carnal ego's to supersede the holy spirit teacher that was God incarnate as Jesus who himself taught of the importance of water baptism.
Two different baptisms. No equivocation. No nonsense like saying in rebuttal to baptism passages, it doesn't say water...... It doesn't need to. That you and others refuse to see that makes me wonder.
I'm done belaboring this point. When you start off misrepresenting what I've actually said, you've actually not made a point against anything I've written about baptism.
Taking water baptism out of the scripture messages is offensive. You and others like you have my deepest sympathy.
We're done.
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Nope. But it certainly has nothing to do with salvation.
Do you still sin? How many sins are attributed to believers? Did Jesus indeed pay for every singe sin or not?
Your gospel is one of works. no matter how much you try and spin it.
Nope. A pardon is only as good as it's acceptance.
You say no, but then you add performance as "proof" one is truly saved.
You say as much with this quote again:
Do you still sin? How many sins are attributed to believers? Did Jesus indeed pay for every singe sin or not?
Your gospel is one of works. no matter how much you try and spin it.
Nope. A pardon is only as good as it's acceptance.
You say no, but then you add performance as "proof" one is truly saved.
You say as much with this quote again:
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Belief (or simply "faith") is indeed all that is required for salvation:
Ephesians 1:13, 2:8-9, Romans 3:28, Galatians 2:16, 3:6-7, 22-26, John 1:12, 3:15-18, 36, 5:24, 6:40, 11:25-26, 20:31, Acts:10:43, 13:39, 16:31, Romans 1:16, 3:26, 28, 4:5, 20-25, 5:1-2, 9:32-33, 10:4, 10: 9-17, 1 Timothy 1:16, 2 Timothy 3:15, Hebrews 11:7, 16, 1 Peter 1:5, 9, 1 John 5:1a. 5:5, 10, 13.
Ephesians 1:13, 2:8-9, Romans 3:28, Galatians 2:16, 3:6-7, 22-26, John 1:12, 3:15-18, 36, 5:24, 6:40, 11:25-26, 20:31, Acts:10:43, 13:39, 16:31, Romans 1:16, 3:26, 28, 4:5, 20-25, 5:1-2, 9:32-33, 10:4, 10: 9-17, 1 Timothy 1:16, 2 Timothy 3:15, Hebrews 11:7, 16, 1 Peter 1:5, 9, 1 John 5:1a. 5:5, 10, 13.
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Sadly like the jews, some people can not see what they actually say as anything but gospel truth, The jews believed for years their way to God was works of the law, sadly to many churches have for years made the same mistake, only instead of commands of the law, commands Which Christ gave.
they fail to see no OT command ever saved anyone, nor will any NT command,
they fail to see no OT command ever saved anyone, nor will any NT command,
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Repentance does not come from the heart of the unregenerate man.......it comes by the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit. People do not know what sin is from God's view, only what they know from the society the live in. A headhunter would not see head hunting as a sin because that is acceptable behavior in that society. Americans tend to think the only sins are to disobey the 10 commandments......though we know that Jesus said if we break ONE, we have broken them all. AND whatever sin THOUGHTS we have we are also guilty of. We were told this so we would understand our complete helplessness in obedience and must rely totally
on the propitiation of Christ for His church.
EASY BELIEVEISM are words that try to take away your peace with God and diminish the efficacy of the shed blood of Christ. John MacDonald was one of the leaders in this doctrine from hell..........I am so thankful that the Holy Spirit has shielded the minds of God's children to reject this apostary.
on the propitiation of Christ for His church.
EASY BELIEVEISM are words that try to take away your peace with God and diminish the efficacy of the shed blood of Christ. John MacDonald was one of the leaders in this doctrine from hell..........I am so thankful that the Holy Spirit has shielded the minds of God's children to reject this apostary.
Not sure which scripture your referring to there ?
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin , and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9of sin , because they believe not on me ;
10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12¶I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Notice its not sins in general but one sin . The sin of not Believing on Jesus. Who is being reproved ? The world.
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin , and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9of sin , because they believe not on me ;
10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12¶I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Notice its not sins in general but one sin . The sin of not Believing on Jesus. Who is being reproved ? The world.
Why was a post I posted almost an hour ago not show up????
Anyway, MacArthur has turned from this original teaching as a 4-point calvinist and gone completely to the dogs.
Was a key person in the Lordship Savation apostasy arguing against free grace, and is a dispensationalist.
I expected better from Soggy.....such language.
I don't agree with your lordship salvation either
Anyway, MacArthur has turned from this original teaching as a 4-point calvinist and gone completely to the dogs.
Was a key person in the Lordship Savation apostasy arguing against free grace, and is a dispensationalist.
I expected better from Soggy.....such language.
I don't agree with your lordship salvation either
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Why was a post I posted almost an hour ago not show up????
Anyway, MacArthur has turned from this original teaching as a 4-point calvinist and gone completely to the dogs.
Was a key person in the Lordship Savation apostasy arguing against free grace, and is a dispensationalist.
I expected better from Soggy.....such language.
I don't agree with your lordship salvation either
Anyway, MacArthur has turned from this original teaching as a 4-point calvinist and gone completely to the dogs.
Was a key person in the Lordship Savation apostasy arguing against free grace, and is a dispensationalist.
I expected better from Soggy.....such language.
I don't agree with your lordship salvation either