The Post Tribulation Rapture

Absolutely · Nov 1, 2020

Let us examine every mention fo the "four winds";

Jeremiah 49:36; "And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."

Daniel 7:2; "Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea."

Daniel 8:8; "Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven."

Daniel 11:4; "And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those."

Zechariah 2:6; "Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD."

Mark 13:27; "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

It is at once clear that the winds originate in heaven, but that they blow from heaven across the earth when scattering. Heavenly in origin, but with a scattering function on earth. This is the same as God's Government. It is heavenly, but it is exercised on earth. This is the same as Satan's government. He is an angel (of heaven) and Prince of the power of the "AIR", but operates to and fro across the earth. The four winds must be an act of God's governmental dealing with Israel. That Matthew and Mark indicate that it is not only heavenly, but even seeks out "elect" from heaven, is in harmony with resurrected saints. Enoch is raptured and does not see death. Where is he now. Well, he was raptured to heaven. Elijah is taken up to heaven alive. He is not on earth, neither is he in Hades below the earth. In Matthew 27:52, a company of Old Testament saints, who were KNOWN in Jerusalem, were resurrected. Where are they today?

The grammar of the above verses indicates that the "scattering" is on earth, but when it is time to "Gather", heaven is included in the search and gathering of Elect Jews.

Note: The reason that our Lord Jesus forbade the woman at the tomb to touch Him was because our Lord Jesus is the "Firstfruits of the dead" (1st Cor.15:20-23). And the Firstfruits belong to God. Our Lord Jesus would FIRST present Himself to the Father before men could have him. But the Law of the Firstfruits is that it is a "SHEAF", not an "ear" (Lev.23:11). That is why the company of Matthew 27:52 were raised up from the dead too - to provide a "SHEAF" of Firstfruits "on the morrow after the Sabbath". They would have ascended to the Father with Jesus, but they had no reason to return like our Lord had. They should still be in heaven. Thus, God's heavenly administration would have the bulk of Israel scattered ON EARTH, and a few in HEAVEN.

By the way, I like your approach. You had a good argument - the result of a good thought-process. Big hearted is the student of the Bible who says; "I'm not sure" and "might be" and "could be" and "most likely".

I agree
Nobody has the complete picture.
We need each other and the Holy Spirit to unpack the mysteries and obtain revelation of his awesome word.

BenjaminN · Nov 1, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

Yes scattered again during the great tribulation, and they, his elect, will be gathered again at the rapture accompanying the next and final earthly return of Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach.

Absolutely · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

""Old Israel under the broken old covenant is obsolete""

In Roman's they are cut off but will be regrafted back in through the messiah they wait for.
Rev 14 has those firstfruit messianic jews,(144k) entering ahead of the ripe fruit (jews) via Jesus on a cloud ,a few sentences later.

BenjaminN · Nov 1, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Once Again, Your response is silent, No Physical Kingdom Or Mortal Humans Are Seen Below, (None)

There will be no future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth, a teaching in error.

Where below do you see a Kingdom on this Earth with humans present?

You Don't, And Many Continue To Teach Fairy Tales, Were Off To See The Wizard

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the spiritual realm, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The millenium Kingdom is in the new heaven and earth, after the destruction of the current earth and heavens. (We humans and angels would most probably be traveling freely between heaven and earth - I do not have scriptures quickly at hand, at this stage, to substantiate this view of humans freely travelling between the new heaven and new earth however.)

Absolutely · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Please quote Revelations 14 mid-trib return believe scripture, that substantiate your interpretation of Revelations 14.

Read the order of events in Matthew 24, the RAPTURE is right at the end in verse 40 (accompanying the next and final return of Christ / Messiah, which is immediately AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION, and the GREAT TRIBULATION follows the GOSPEL PROCLAIMED TO ALL THE NATIONS in verse 14, so between verse 14 and 40, the end of this earth as it will come is portrayed).

Matthew 24 (ESV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 "From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. 36 "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.

""Please quote Revelations 14 mid-trib return believe scripture, that substantiate your interpretation of Revelations 14.""

The 144k are found in heaven in rev 14

The ripe fruit are gathered by Jesus in a cloud (the sky) a few sentences later

It is not the gentile bride.
It is not after the gt.

How do we know?
Because Jesus returns POSTRIB with his church the saints on MILLIONS/BILLIONS of horses.

Re read rev 14.

BenjaminN · Nov 1, 2020

GaryA said:

Is there any member of this site upon reading this post who is actually willing to acknowledge and agree with the simple grammar-based reasoning that everything in verse 29 after the intial phrase 'Immediately after the tribulation of those days' is being stated as occuring after the 'tribulation' which is referred to in that phrase...???

Is there anyone one here who is bold enough to say:

"Yes - I believe that is what that verse clearly indicates."

Please --- let your voice be heard --- reply in this thread and state the above italicized quote (or similar).

"Yes - I believe that is what that verse clearly indicates."

Absolutely · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Please quote Revelations 14 mid-trib return believe scripture, that substantiate your interpretation of Revelations 14.

Read the order of events in Matthew 24, the RAPTURE is right at the end in verse 40 (accompanying the next and final return of Christ / Messiah, which is immediately AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION, and the GREAT TRIBULATION follows the GOSPEL PROCLAIMED TO ALL THE NATIONS in verse 14, so between verse 14 and 40, the end of this earth as it will come is portrayed).

Matthew 24 (ESV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 "From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. 36 "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.

Note the thought change in vs 37.
Now Jesus is talking PREFLOOD dynamics.(as he did with the lot dynamic)
Now jesus is talking prejudgement.
So without context we are on a rabbit trail

Which btw, the one taken/left is in that prejudgement/flood/tribulation dynamic.

So the gathering of lot,noah and the "one taken", are all pretrib events.

Gathering pretrib.
Pretrib rapture.

No rapture of the bride
postrib

It is not there at all

Absolutely · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Please quote Revelations 14 mid-trib return believe scripture, that substantiate your interpretation of Revelations 14.

Read the order of events in Matthew 24, the RAPTURE is right at the end in verse 40 (accompanying the next and final return of Christ / Messiah, which is immediately AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION, and the GREAT TRIBULATION follows the GOSPEL PROCLAIMED TO ALL THE NATIONS in verse 14, so between verse 14 and 40, the end of this earth as it will come is portrayed).

Matthew 24 (ESV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 "From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. 36 "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.

Note that you stopped on vs 40.

Also note that the next few verses are the pretrib rapture

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So we see the one taken is before the flood (vividly depicting noah taken but inlaws left behind) preflood.

So the one taken can not be anything but pointing to the pretrib rapture
"41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

It is impossible to make that preflood dynamic anything but a pretrib rapture.

Those verses must be corrupted or ignored to avoid the truth.

Corban · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Brother, you again avoided the objections. You continued to assume a thing you call Messianic Judaism. But that is what we discuss. You should have brought scripture for your first three statements. The scripture you brought, you added parenthesis to, to give it a sense that is not found if the parenthesis were not there.

Let me offer a simple solution.

A man is offspring to Adam. God made, of one man and one blood - all men. So we have the Gentiles, or, The Nations
Of these men, God took a Syrian, Abraham, and from his loins made a great Nation - Israel (via Isaac, via Jacob). Paul calls them "his brethren according to the flesh
Of Israel, God took One Man and made a New Man out of Him. This Man Jesus was NOT born of the "One blood" that all other men were born of. He was born by the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit (Matt.1:18; Lk.1:35)
Out of Jesus, God brought forth a New People who had their origin IN Christ via a birth from the Holy Spirit

According to the Law of "KINDS" in Genesis 1:11-12, the above constitute THREE DIFFERENT KINDS of men:

Gentiles out of Adam
Israel out of Jacob
The Church out of the Holy Spirit

There is no such thing in the whole Bible as "Messianic Judaism". It is an invention of man. It has no part, nor substance in the genealogies of the Bible. Consider this. If a man is a Jew and he suddenly believes in and embraces Jesus Christ - what happens to him? He is born again and becomes a son of God. He is a New Creature and the past is wiped out (2nd Cor.5:17). AND he is transferred from Israel to the Church because HE HAS A NEW BEGINNING, OR ORIGIN. He has LEFT THE OLD. And so Galatians 3:28 and Colossians 3:11 unequivocally say that in this New Creature, there is NO JEW and NO GENTILE.

Where then is the class of man, called by other men, "Messianic Jew"? It just doesn't exist, and is never mentioned in the Bible.

Corban · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Christianity is the Messianic branch of Judaism (click to view)

I struggle to find 2nd Corinthians 5:75.

With regards to your other scripture of one renewed Israel Body of Christ / Messiah, the following:

Colossians 3 (ESV)

11 Here there is not Greek ( Gentile / Ephraim ) and Jew ( Judah ), circumcised ( Jew / Judah ) and uncircumcised ( Gentile / Ephraim ), barbarian ( Gentile / Ephraim ), Scythian ( Gentile / Ephraim ), slave ( Gentile / Ephraim ), free ( Judah / Ephraim and Gentile / Ephraim ); but Christ ( renewed Israel Body of Christ / Messiah ) is all ( Christianity / Messianic Judaism ), and in all ( Christianity as the true Messianic branch of Judaism ).

Galatians 3 (ESV)

28 There is neither Jew ( Judah ) nor Greek ( Gentile / Ephraim ), there is neither slave ( Gentile / Ephraim ) nor free ( Judah / Ephraim and Gentile / Ephraim ), there is no male ( Judah / Ephraim and Gentile / Ephraim ) and female ( Judah / Ephraim and Gentile / Ephraim ), for you are all one in Christ Jesus ( Christianity / Messianic Judaism ).

Acts 24 (ESV)

1 And after five days the high priest Ananias came down with some elders and a spokesman, one Tertullus. They laid before the governor their case against Paul. 2 And when he had been summoned, Tertullus began to accuse him, saying: "Since through you we enjoy much peace, and since by your foresight, most excellent Felix, reforms are being made for this nation, 3 in every way and everywhere we accept this with all gratitude. 4 But, to detain you no further, I beg you in your kindness to hear us briefly. 5 For we have found this man a plague, one who stirs up riots among all the Jews throughout the world and is a ringleader of the (Judaic) sect of the Nazarenes (called Christianity or Messianic Judaism today).

My bad. I apologize. It should read 2nd Cor.5:17. May I as you to read that in light of my answer, and come back to me. Thank you.

Corban · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Your terminology is difficult. How can there be "Israel Body of Christ" when Israel killed the prophets, then killed their Messiah, and then killed the disciples of the Messiah. They are mortal enemies.

Corban · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Again, your language is difficult. In one sentence you maintain that Israel is obsolete. Yet I see them still being persecuted, and I see them maintaining a National identity in the Land they won back in 1948. They forbid preaching abut Jesus Messiah. They are TWO DIFFERENT entities.

The grammar of Hebrews 8:13 is past continuous for the Old Covenant, and future continuous for the New Covenant. At what point will the one replace the other? I will point to the inspired record in Jeremiah 31:31-33. It is "IN THAT DAY"! What day? The Day that Judah and Israel become one nation again! And WHICH Judah and which Israel is meant? THOSE OF THE FATHERS WHO CAME OUT OF EGYPT! That is, it is the "obsolete Israel" that gets the New Covenant!

And just to confirm it, you are correct. Jesus Messiah is KING of Israel. But He is HEAD of the Church. Israel, a NATION, born of Jacob, wished for a KING. The Church, the Body of Jesus, is in an organic union. One is the HEAD and the other the BODY. A Nation gets King, a Body has a Head.

Corban · Nov 1, 2020

Absolutely said:

Amen brother!

Corban · Nov 1, 2020

BenjaminN said:

GaryA said:

May I point out what that verse says. There are THREE gatherings in Revelation.

The armies of the beast are GATHERED to Jezreel to be annihilated (Rev.16:13-16)
The Church is to be GATHERED to Christ in the clouds and the air (Rev.14:1-5)
Israel, as per the prophets of Israel, is to be GATHERED back to her Land.

Which one is meant in verse 31? The context will tell. Matthew 24:1-31:

The Temple is a Jewish building and center of their religion
The Temple is in Jerusalem - chief City of the Jewish religion
False Christ's is a Jewish problem. As they rejected the Messiah, they still look for Him to come. Christians don't
Wars and rumors of wars could apply to anybody
Famine and Pestilences could apply to anybody
Being hated for Jesus's name seems at first a Christian problem. But the most prolific excuse for the Western world/Roman Church to kill Jews is the accusation that they killed Jesus. This is a Jewish Problem
"Sorrows" apply to the world as the Great Tribulation, but to Israel as "Jacob's Trouble. It is a Jewish Problem
False PROPHETS is Jewish Problem. The Church has the problem of false TEACHERS
Those who "SEE" the Abomination of Desolation will have to live in and around Jerusalem - Jews
The prophet Daniel is a Jewish prophet
"Him who is in Judea" will be Jews
Having to flee on a Sabbath is a Jewish problem. Their Law regulates the distance they may walk
False Christ's and False prophets are mentioned a second time - BOTH Jewish problems
Israel are not raptured. Their first sight of Jesus will be while they stand on earth and look upward where lightening is
The carcasses and vultures are needed at Jezreel for the slaughter of Armageddon - 70 miles west of Jerusalem
A "sign" is required for the Jew (1st Cor.1.22). The Christian lives by faith
The Church rejoices when they see Jesus. It is the Jews that mourn

Even if some of these are not correct, the OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF THE CONTEXT indicates that the "elect" to be GATHERED in verse 31 ARE JEWS. The whole context leading up to the "gathering" is one of a mater of the JEWS. Then, TWO bits of proof still remain to be aired;

The "gathering of the elect" in Matthew 24:31 happens AFTER Jesus comes to earth from the clouds. The Church is Raptured while He is still IN the clouds (1st Thess.4:15-17)
Only Israel was scattered to the "four winds" (Jer.49:36; Ezek.37:9; Zech.2:6)

The "ELECT" of Matthew 24:31 is Israel - resurrected and gathered fro all nations under the sun and from heaven for those who have already been resurrected.

BenjaminN · Nov 1, 2020

Absolutely said:

Matthew 24 (ESV)

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 39 ... so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.

BenjaminN · Nov 1, 2020

Absolutely said:

The verses about the flood is to convey how people that take the mark of the beast will go through the great tribulation, for them it would not be a tribulation at all, they will go about their lives merrily... It is a tribulation for those that know what is happening, like Noah knew what was coming... In Noah's case the judgement was with water, after the tribulation the judgement is with fire, at the next final return of Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach.

Truth7t7 · Nov 1, 2020

Absolutely said:

Only the remnant elect Jew, that is chosen, will be grafted in.

Truth7t7 · Nov 1, 2020

Absolutely said:

Note the thought change in vs 37.
Now Jesus is talking PREFLOOD dynamics.(as he did with the lot dynamic)
Now jesus is talking prejudgement.
So without context we are on a rabbit trail

Which btw, the one taken/left is in that prejudgement/flood/tribulation dynamic.

So the gathering of lot,noah and the "one taken", are all pretrib events.

Gathering pretrib.
Pretrib rapture.

No rapture of the bride
postrib

It is not there at all

No pre-trib rapture in the scripture, John N. Darby's false teachings.

GaryA · Nov 1, 2020

GaryA said:

Is there anyone on here who is bold enough to say:

Truth7t7 · Nov 1, 2020

GaryA said:

Jesus Christ Is Lord!

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