Can someone lose their salvation?

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God will not allow those that belong to Him to think and live in the manner that you have described. We have been bought with a price and we are not our own. Whom the Lord loveth He will chasten. You may think that you can get away with sin and that is a carnal attitude and not spiritual. God will chastize His children to make them realize the importance of receiving and growing in the grace of God. Is there anyone that can predict how long that might take in the life of a believer? How long has it taken the Lord with that harlot Israel so far? Has God been lonsuffering with her backsliddings and unbelief?

Well is Israel today going to heaven? We can't use a nation to show how God deals with us personally when it comes to salvation.

Second. Israel is not the harlot. She is not practicing idolotry or doing pagan ritual calling it Gods tradition.

third. Your right, that person would not be able to do those things. Yet why won't you admit it.

God is longsuffering. But a person who truely repented would not live a life of doing things HE KNOWS ARE WRONG without some sort of change. I can not buy that. Even if he stopped beating his wife because he felt bad. But still struggled with alcohol from time to time I could see him being saved. But that is not what happened. He showed no remorse. No sorry, Just lived his life like he was doing nothing wrong. Is that repentnace? No.
 
*shaking head*

No one here is advocating sacrificing animals for the remission of sins. For Zone to even bring that up in this conversation reveals her own haughtiness.

It is a joke between myself and Zone. Not concerning another issue we have agreed to disagree on. She was not trying to say sacrifice has anything to do with sin removal..
 
lol. There is a diference between jesus fulfilling dan 9 and all that daniel 9 being fulfilled :D

But it is fun discussing anyway :)

but all of Daniel WAS fulfilled: the prince of the people who was to come was Titus and the romans: 70AD.

they carried out the decree mentioned in Daniel 9 and declared by Jesus as he said BEHOLD YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT DESOLATE.

the AoD in Matthew 24 is that very same event.

when He said ALL these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION, He meant the generation that was still living in 70AD. and he was perfectly right on, as usual. Titus showed up within a generation (40 years).

Jesus was telling the disciples when they saw it to head for the hills, that they ought to hope their flight wasn't in winter or on the Sabbath (they would have been detained and arrested for running away on the Sabbath, the city gates closed).

i realize dispensationalists go bananas over this, but...hey! let's talk EG.

NOW: with that said, as with many prophecies, they have dual or multiple fulfillments.

you've been reading Matthew 24 etc the same way you've been reading Daniel 9: linear, expecting every line to be chronologically sequential to the previous line. that's not how it works.

if you read that passage again really carefully, and try to read it using the literary construction common to such passages which are prophetic and/or use allegorical language, you'll see that Jesus answers the when, and the what will it be like....its all covered in that passage, but the 70AD stuff is past to us.

there's a coming CONSUMMATION of all the apocalyptic prophecies...BIRTH PANGS (2 Thess 2 - Rev 13 etc) but to know what they are, and what they will be like, we have to know what has actually already been fulfilled. Jesus covers all of History from His warning of the coming destruction of 70AD to the end of days in Matthew 24.

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*shaking head*

No one here is advocating sacrificing animals for the remission of sins. For Zone to even bring that up in this conversation reveals her own haughtiness.

1) i thought you had me on ignore
2) who said anything about animal sacrifice for remission of sins (even though the jews are still doing it)
3) haughtiness? i was talking to my buddy EG about something you are not privy to.

btw: since i'm back off ignore: do you believe in SECOND BAPTISM?
 
It is a joke between myself and Zone. Not concerning another issue we have agreed to disagree on. She was not trying to say sacrifice has anything to do with sin removal..

tsk....EG.
we haven't agreed to disagree bud: you just haven't caved yet:D
 
tsk....EG.
we haven't agreed to disagree bud: you just haven't caved yet:D

LMAO! I can't cave when the 1 week covenant and the abomination has yet to happen. Until then all of Daniel 9 have yet to be fulfilled :D
 
1) i thought you had me on ignore
2) who said anything about animal sacrifice for remission of sins (even though the jews are still doing it)
3) haughtiness? i was talking to my buddy EG about something you are not privy to.

btw: since i'm back off ignore: do you believe in SECOND BAPTISM?

Second baptism?? I have never even heard of this. or is it secret code?
 
I am not sure I would call it a strawman. I think he is just trying to get red to answer. Which I have yet to see red do.

That parable you showed. The kid was a child living in his fathers house. probably abaying what his father said until he left. The point is, he was a son when he was home, He was a son when he left. And he was a son when he returned. He never stopped being the son, nor did the father stop being the father.

The man that beat his wife never did what the father asked from what I can see. thus he never lived in his fathers house.

I am trying to show a difference between a licentious belief and a true faith. Which to be honest. I do not even know what red believes in, after everything I have read from him..

Which of the two sons in that parable in (Lk 15) illustrated to you true faith and which one illustrated a licentious belief (as you call it)?

If you read with a mindset like LBG then you will think just as he thinks and you will find yourself being likeminded with him. If that is what you desire then so be it, I will not try and persuade you otherwise. If you do not know what I believe concerning the gospel of Christ, the diety and divinity of Jesus Christ, salvation by grace through faith, what repentance is all about, the importance of having a local assembly, the call to go into all the world and preach the gospel and many other things that have been discussed and post on this sight, then there is nothing more I can do. Go your way and live unto God in your own understanding.
 
Which of the two sons in that parable in (Lk 15) illustrated to you true faith and which one illustrated a licentious belief (as you call it)?

If you read with a mindset like LBG then you will think just as he thinks and you will find yourself being likeminded with him. If that is what you desire then so be it, I will not try and persuade you otherwise. If you do not know what I believe concerning the gospel of Christ, the diety and divinity of Jesus Christ, salvation by grace through faith, what repentance is all about, the importance of having a local assembly, the call to go into all the world and preach the gospel and many other things that have been discussed and post on this sight, then there is nothing more I can do. Go your way and live unto God in your own understanding.


The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know

1 Cor 8:2
 
Second baptism?? I have never even heard of this. or is it secret code?

no.
its a doctrine some sects believe:

Baptism with the Holy Spirit

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Baptism with the Holy Spirit (or Baptism in the Holy Spirit) is a term used by Jesus Christ in the Christian Scriptures to describe the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5-8). While the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is found in the New Testament, there are different views among Christian groups as to what it means. One view holds that the term refers only to the "once-for-all" event for the whole Church described in the Book of Acts 2 [1] while another view holds that the term also refers to an experience of the individual believer distinct from salvation and initiation into the Church.[1]

Before the emergence of Pentecostalism in the early 20th century, most denominations believed that Christians received the baptism with the Holy Spirit either upon conversion and regeneration [1] or through rites of Christian initiation. Since the growth and spread of Pentecostal and charismatic churches, however, the belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration has come into increasing prominence.[2]

Pentecostal and charismatic

Pentecostal and charismatic Christians believe that all Christians have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.[12] However, they believe that the experience commonly called baptism in the Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct experience occurring sometime after regeneration. Extending from this is the belief that all the spiritual gifts mentioned in the New Testament are to be sought and experienced.[2] It is the experience of Spirit baptism that initiates the believer in the use of the spiritual gifts.

Pentecostals and charismatics look to the Bible to support their doctrinal position. According to their biblical interpretation, the Gospel of John 20:22 shows that the disciples of Jesus were already born again before the Holy Spirit fell at Pentecost. They then cite biblical examples in the Book of Acts 2, 8, 10, and 19 to show that it was common in the New Testament for Spirit baptism to occur after conversion.[13] In following the biblical pattern, they argue, Christians today should also ask Jesus for this baptism which results in greater power for ministry and witness. There are differences between Pentecostal and charismatic Christians' understanding of Spirit baptism.

Pentecostalism includes any denomination or group which has origins in the Pentecostal revival that began in 1901 and is most identified with the Azusa Street Mission of Los Angeles. Some Pentecostal denominations teach that speaking in tongues (glossolalia) will always follow Spirit baptism; though this is by no means universally believed or practiced among Pentecostals.[14]

Charismatics trace their historical origins to the charismatic movement of the 1960s and 1970s. They are distinguished from Pentecostals because they tend to allow for differing viewpoints on whether Spirit baptism is subsequent to conversion and whether tongues is always a sign of receiving the baptism.[2] Some charismatics remain within existing Protestant and Catholic churches while others have started new denominations. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal[15] believes that there is a further experience of empowerment with the Holy Spirit. As stated by Rev. Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa, "baptism in the Spirit is not a sacrament, but it is related to a sacrament…to the sacraments of Christian initiation. The baptism in the Spirit makes real and in a way renews Christian initiation".[16] Emphasis of the event is on the release of existing spiritual gifts already given to the individual through baptism in water and confirmation.

During the 1980s, another renewal movement emerged called the "Third Wave of the Holy Spirit" (the first wave was Pentecostalism and the second wave was the charismatic movement). Third wave charismatics stress that the preaching of the gospel, following the New Testament pattern, should be accompanied by "signs, wonders, and miracles". They believe that all Christians are baptized with the Holy Spirit at conversion, and prefer to call subsequent experiences as "filling" with the Holy Spirit.[2] John Wimber and the Vineyard churches are most prominently associated with this label.
 
Which of the two sons in that parable in (Lk 15) illustrated to you true faith and which one illustrated a licentious belief (as you call it)?

Niether showed a licentious belief. Both were children. Which means they were saved. One was just mad because he did everything his father asked and yet the father seemed to show favoritism. I know christians who have done this. It does not make them not saved.

If you read with a mindset like LBG then you will think just as he thinks and you will find yourself being likeminded with him. If that is what you desire then so be it, I will not try and persuade you otherwise. If you do not know what I believe concerning the gospel of Christ, the diety and divinity of Jesus Christ, salvation by grace through faith, what repentance is all about, the importance of having a local assembly, the call to go into all the world and preach the gospel and many other things that have been discussed and post on this sight, then there is nothing more I can do. Go your way and live unto God in your own understanding.

All I would like to see is you answer his question. It does not mean you agree with him. otherwise I am left to wonder if you believe a licentious gospel can actually save someone.

I am not even sure I agree with him, I have yet to know his complete understanding on eternal security. If he does not believe in it. I will not agree with him.
 
no.
its a doctrine some sects believe:

Baptism with the Holy Spirit

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search

Baptism with the Holy Spirit (or Baptism in the Holy Spirit) is a term used by Jesus Christ in the Christian Scriptures to describe the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5-8). While the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is found in the New Testament, there are different views among Christian groups as to what it means. One view holds that the term refers only to the "once-for-all" event for the whole Church described in the Book of Acts 2 [1] while another view holds that the term also refers to an experience of the individual believer distinct from salvation and initiation into the Church.[1]

Before the emergence of Pentecostalism in the early 20th century, most denominations believed that Christians received the baptism with the Holy Spirit either upon conversion and regeneration [1] or through rites of Christian initiation. Since the growth and spread of Pentecostal and charismatic churches, however, the belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration has come into increasing prominence.[2]

Pentecostal and charismatic

Pentecostal and charismatic Christians believe that all Christians have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.[12] However, they believe that the experience commonly called baptism in the Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct experience occurring sometime after regeneration. Extending from this is the belief that all the spiritual gifts mentioned in the New Testament are to be sought and experienced.[2] It is the experience of Spirit baptism that initiates the believer in the use of the spiritual gifts.

Pentecostals and charismatics look to the Bible to support their doctrinal position. According to their biblical interpretation, the Gospel of John 20:22 shows that the disciples of Jesus were already born again before the Holy Spirit fell at Pentecost. They then cite biblical examples in the Book of Acts 2, 8, 10, and 19 to show that it was common in the New Testament for Spirit baptism to occur after conversion.[13] In following the biblical pattern, they argue, Christians today should also ask Jesus for this baptism which results in greater power for ministry and witness. There are differences between Pentecostal and charismatic Christians' understanding of Spirit baptism.

Pentecostalism includes any denomination or group which has origins in the Pentecostal revival that began in 1901 and is most identified with the Azusa Street Mission of Los Angeles. Some Pentecostal denominations teach that speaking in tongues (glossolalia) will always follow Spirit baptism; though this is by no means universally believed or practiced among Pentecostals.[14]

Charismatics trace their historical origins to the charismatic movement of the 1960s and 1970s. They are distinguished from Pentecostals because they tend to allow for differing viewpoints on whether Spirit baptism is subsequent to conversion and whether tongues is always a sign of receiving the baptism.[2] Some charismatics remain within existing Protestant and Catholic churches while others have started new denominations. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal[15] believes that there is a further experience of empowerment with the Holy Spirit. As stated by Rev. Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa, "baptism in the Spirit is not a sacrament, but it is related to a sacrament…to the sacraments of Christian initiation. The baptism in the Spirit makes real and in a way renews Christian initiation".[16] Emphasis of the event is on the release of existing spiritual gifts already given to the individual through baptism in water and confirmation.

During the 1980s, another renewal movement emerged called the "Third Wave of the Holy Spirit" (the first wave was Pentecostalism and the second wave was the charismatic movement). Third wave charismatics stress that the preaching of the gospel, following the New Testament pattern, should be accompanied by "signs, wonders, and miracles". They believe that all Christians are baptized with the Holy Spirit at conversion, and prefer to call subsequent experiences as "filling" with the Holy Spirit.[2] John Wimber and the Vineyard churches are most prominently associated with this label.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the Baptism in whihc John the Baptist prophesied (He will baptise with holy spirit) vs the only other option of spiritual baptism left men (baptism of fire)

Baptism of the HS is mentioned in 1 cor 12 and romans 6. it is the spiritual act of God separating the wheat from the chaff. By cleansing the wheat.

The stuff pentecostles believe in is that baptism of the HS is what brings about gifts. This is a false belief. it is the annointing, Or comming into a believe which gives gifts. Yet this does not happen until after the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

If your not baptised with the HS you will be baptised in fire. Which as John said shall never be quenched. Scripture says there will be weeping and nashing of teeth.
 
Which of the two sons in that parable in (Lk 15) illustrated to you true faith and which one illustrated a licentious belief (as you call it)?

Niether showed a licentious belief. Both were children. Which means they were saved. One was just mad because he did everything his father asked and yet the father seemed to show favoritism. I know christians who have done this. It does not make them not saved.



All I would like to see is you answer his question. It does not mean you agree with him. otherwise I am left to wonder if you believe a licentious gospel can actually save someone.

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He cannot answer the question. When he has attempted an answer he has suggested that the example given of a person displaying such behaviour constantly for ten years after a claimed conversion may well be in a saved state

This has more to do with 'head theology' and a literal acceptance of certain scripture than understanding the heart of the Gospel

A Christianity that only speaks of salvation by faith, but with no obligation is carnal. Many stress grace without the responsibility that goes with it(I am not saying Red does I do not know him) because they themselves are not willing to seek in earnest for deliverence from such sin

It is a fact that grace is dependant according to Paul on following after the Spirit(Gal 5:18) Therefore, a person cannot live unchanged after a claimed conversion for ten years and have a sincere Christianity

Either Red knows that but his pride will not let him admit it

Or

He does not understand the basic truth of the Gospel of grace
 
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Well is Israel today going to heaven? We can't use a nation to show how God deals with us personally when it comes to salvation.

Second. Israel is not the harlot. She is not practicing idolotry or doing pagan ritual calling it Gods tradition.

third. Your right, that person would not be able to do those things. Yet why won't you admit it.

God is longsuffering. But a person who truely repented would not live a life of doing things HE KNOWS ARE WRONG without some sort of change. I can not buy that. Even if he stopped beating his wife because he felt bad. But still struggled with alcohol from time to time I could see him being saved. But that is not what happened. He showed no remorse. No sorry, Just lived his life like he was doing nothing wrong. Is that repentnace? No.

You have this image in your mind that you are contrasting with repentance and the grace of God and how God should be working in a man's life who is struggling with sin. These buzz words and examples that involve beating a wife have only been given to magnify a point of contention by those that want to be a judge of God's salvation instead of imparting the life of God's mercy and grace to the guilty. You have to be persuaded of the Lord if you want to understand His goodness that leads men to repentance. Can you say how long or how much goodness it might take the Lord to lead a man to repentance who is a down-right scoundrel? I don't know or presume to know and I will certainly not judge God or the man He is trying to draw to Himself through lovingkindness.
 
He cannot answer the question. When he has attempted an answer he has suggested that the example given of a person displaying such behaviour constantly for ten years after a claimed conversion may well be in a saved state

This has more to do with 'head theology' and a literal acceptance of certain scripture than understanding the heart of the Gospel

A Christianity that only speaks of salvation by faith, but with no obligation is carnal. Many stress grace without the responsibility that goes with it(I am not saying Red does I do not know him) because they themselves are not willing to seek in earnest for deliverence from such sin

See I don't like these words, maybe it is the word you used (Obligation) Saying one has an obligation is saying one must work in order to recieve something.

I do not call it an obligation. I call it true faith which comes from true repentnace, which leaves true gratefullness for what we have recieved. This attitude brings about change. Not as an obligation. But in thanks for all Christ did for us.
 
You have this image in your mind that you are contrasting with repentance and the grace of God and how God should be working in a man's life who is struggling with sin. These buzz words and examples that involve beating a wife have only been given to magnify a point of contention by those that want to be a judge of God's salvation instead of imparting the life of God's mercy and grace to the guilty.

No, people quite rightly would like to know where you stand on the issue, but you have no confidence in your belief to answer forthrightly. So you in this instance are insecure in your ability to directly respond to the question asked


You have to be persuaded of the Lord if you want to understand His goodness that leads men to repentance. Can you say how long or how much goodness it might take the Lord to lead a man to repentance who is a down-right scoundrel? I don't know or presume to know and I will certainly not judge God or the man He is trying to draw to Himself through lovingkindness.
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See I don't like these words, maybe it is the word you used (Obligation) Saying one has an obligation is saying one must work in order to recieve something.

I do not call it an obligation. I call it true faith which comes from true repentnace, which leaves true gratefullness for what we have recieved. This attitude brings about change. Not as an obligation. But in thanks for all Christ did for us.

True faith is what changes the individual, it is not what the individual in themselves can do to change themself, but what God can do in them as they trust in Christ and rely on the Holy Spirit to sanctify them
So the glory goes to God

But has the Christian no obligation in their walk at all? Can they just sit in a chair, put their feet up and continually get drunk? No! They have obigations

To pray, read their Bible, look to Christ in their heart and trust in him

To believe in him when the going gets rough, and as scripture says to resist temptation as they grow


We can claim no credit for the victory seen in our l.ives, but we have to stand in Christ

Trials temptations are the lot of the Christian. We are given the faith and strength to stand, but we must exercise what we have been given
 
You have this image in your mind that you are contrasting with repentance and the grace of God and how God should be working in a man's life who is struggling with sin. These buzz words and examples that involve beating a wife have only been given to magnify a point of contention by those that want to be a judge of God's salvation instead of imparting the life of God's mercy and grace to the guilty. You have to be persuaded of the Lord if you want to understand His goodness that leads men to repentance. Can you say how long or how much goodness it might take the Lord to lead a man to repentance who is a down-right scoundrel? I don't know or presume to know and I will certainly not judge God or the man He is trying to draw to Himself through lovingkindness.

What I see is a literal hate for LBG is so severe that you will not agree with anything he says, Even if what he says is correct.

Jude spoke of a licentious christian.

4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.



10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about[c] by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling
words, flattering people to gain advantage. 17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.

As james speak about those who say they have faith but has no works. These people are hearers only not doers. They are not saved. Thier faith was dead.

So unless you believe these people Jude and James condemned are saved, Which from what I see in your writings, you do believe these people are saved, I don't know why you are so hesitant to answer the question.
 
The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know

1 Cor 8:2

Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light ; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Ps 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish .

Prov 1:5 A wise man will hear , and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

Prov 2:11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:

Prov 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

Prov 10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found : but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.http://christianchat.com/#fn-descriptionAnchor-d

Prov 20:5 Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water; but a man of understanding will draw it out .

Prov 24:3-7 3 Through wisdom is an house builded ; and by understanding it is established : 4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches. 5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength. 6 For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety. 7 Wisdom is too high for a fool: he openeth not his mouth in the gate.

Ps 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Prov 22:21 That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is , in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

1Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified .

v.12 Now we have received , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Cor 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
 
Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light ; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Ps 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish .

Prov 1:5 A wise man will hear , and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

Prov 2:11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:

Prov 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

Prov 10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found : but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.

Prov 20:5 Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water; but a man of understanding will draw it out .

Prov 24:3-7 3 Through wisdom is an house builded ; and by understanding it is established : 4 And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches. 5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength. 6 For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety. 7 Wisdom is too high for a fool: he openeth not his mouth in the gate.

Ps 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Prov 22:21 That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is , in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

1Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified .

v.12 Now we have received , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Cor 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

You seem to have difficulty understanding what Paul meant in the verse I quoted