LIVING IN THE MILLENIA

[Blain]

I appreciate your honesty, I have started a thread on the (Two Witnesses) waiting approval.

Does The Scripture Below Teach The Antichrist Is In Control?

The two witnesses will bring all plagues seen in the book of Revelation, 5 months of torment, men desiring to die and they cant, noisome sores, water to blood, scorching heat, darkness in pain, as the world worships before the churches feet present on earth as seen in Rev 3:9 below.

A complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, no Hebrews were running scared, no plague came upon the Hebrews, it's going to be a replay.

Revelation 3:9KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 9:3-5KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Yes exactly the plagues are a remake of the plagues in egypt this is what I have been saying for a long while now how bible prophecy often foreshadows itself and compared it to revelation the exact same ones are there.

But technically no the antichrist himself is not in control on earth it is satan inside him but over the whole picture God is in control, which honestly I never understood how the devil could be so arrogant that he doesn't realize how in control God is I mean he knew God before we did and we only know and see a bit of him at a time unlike the devil who knew him entirely.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

So now you just resort to dumb remarks then? Out of evidence to stand against scripture maybe?

Yes, you have completely overcome me with your supurb knowledge of scripture. I am undone.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

No debate, try providing a argument with scripture.

Been there, done that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Been there, done that.

If you provide a claim, and scripture in support (Great) that's debate, not everybody is in agreement, however they will be accountable for their knowledge come judgement day.

It's a believers duty to present scriptural truth, the Apostles were a prime example, did the Pharisees and Scribes receive their words with open arms and hugs, or beatings and prion?

Pick up your sword and get back to battle, the enemy is on the advance!

Ephesians 6:10-12KJV
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

While I do find this an interesting perspective it doesn't add up the prophetic timeline. What I mean by that is say that we have indeed been reigning with Christ in the millennium regardless if it has been a thousand or several thousand years, this disorganizes the entire understanding of what the scriptures say about the prophetic timeline. The millennium happens after the tribulation and after the rapture but if what you say is true then that means both the rapture and the tribulation has already occured which it hasn't the antichrist has yet to reveal himself the mark in which man women child and old have to have in order to buy and sell has not come into play wolrwide yet the antichrist has not yet stood in the third temple and declaring himself God he has not yet broken the treaty and the rapture itself has not yet occured either.
Also a word of advice I wouldn't go to a millennium for your posts they are not in understanding of the truth.

I should have answered this before. You make some interesting statements but I see no thread to them.
I want to know "what timeline"?
Who made the timeline?
Is it in scripture?
What treaty?
Have you come to understand yet that there is no THE antichrist?
The mark is not a visual mark......it marks the unsaved. It is the antithesis of the seal of the Holy Spirit to beleivers.
If you want a timeline I have one for you.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Yes the two witnesses are used to bring them but not by their own power it comes from God which is why I said in my post to grace the things God will bring.
However I do not elevate the antichrist I speak about him yes but I would prefer you didn't phrase it as to elevate as if he was being put on a higher standard and I certainly do not push fear do you see anyone here who is afraid because I am debating about the antichrist?
I remain silent for the most part on the two witnesses because I have not done that much research on them so I am not going to talk about that which I do not know.

We don't have to guess who the two witnesses are because the bible tells us in following verses:
Rev 11: 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

olive trees = Jews (culltivated olive) and Gentiles (wild olive) grafted together as the church
two lampstands = the bible and Holy Spirit .... The Spirit sheds light on the scriptures "Your word is a lamp for my feet,a light on my path." (Psalm 119:105

 

[Blain]

I should have answered this before. You make some interesting statements but I see no thread to them.
I want to know "what timeline"?
Who made the timeline?
Is it in scripture?
What treaty?
Have you come to understand yet that there is no THE antichrist?
The mark is not a visual mark......it marks the unsaved. It is the antithesis of the seal of the Holy Spirit to beleivers.
If you want a timeline I have one for you.

The propgetic time line that God set into place and that also is who made the timeline when you study bible prophecy you can see a timeline and as for the treaty or deal or covenant

Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven In the middle of the ‘seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him

 

[Blain]

We don't have to guess who the two witnesses are because the bible tells us in following verses:
Rev 11: 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

olive trees = Jews (culltivated olive) and Gentiles (wild olive) grafted together as the church
two lampstands = the bible and Holy Spirit .... The Spirit sheds light on the scriptures "Your word is a lamp for my feet,a light on my path." (Psalm 119:105

Yes I know this much but I like to dive very deep into any subject I study I am not satisfied with understanding only part of it and I have yet to go into a deep study on these two so until I do I have no room to be debating about them

 

[Truth7t7]

Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven In the middle of the ‘seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him

Your quote mentions (One Seven) then (Seven), its common courtesy to post your translation referenced?

Thanks

Daniel 9:27KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Blain]

You quote mentions (One Seven) then (Seven), it courtesy to post your translation referenced?

Daniel 9:27KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Yeah sorry about that I used the niv version but I should have used the kjv

 

[Blain]

I should have answered this before. You make some interesting statements but I see no thread to them.
I want to know "what timeline"?
Who made the timeline?
Is it in scripture?
What treaty?
Have you come to understand yet that there is no THE antichrist?
The mark is not a visual mark......it marks the unsaved. It is the antithesis of the seal of the Holy Spirit to beleivers.
If you want a timeline I have one for you.

Also no offense but I don't require a timeline from you as you do not seem to be able to grasp bible prophecy correctly, I know you have a heart for God but understanding bible prophecy is not something that comes easily especially if you hold on to your own understanding it is the meat of all meats in scripture I study it out of fascination and love to go into deep studies on the topic but I myself am far from being able to truly understand it

But I do also know that when one tries to tackle it when they aren't ready it can lead to some untruths and with you since you cannot listen and learn from others you don't have the right heart yet to dive into the subject to deeply. Even your crude and childish remarks show you are not yet ready for it and I am not saying in any way I am above you we all excel and don't excel in certain areas
I encourage you to wait until you are closer and stronger in God first when you take on his spirit and loving nature then you will be slowly able to tackle this subject

But the fruits you have shown are not that of love you show pride and arrogance you refuse to accept anyones wise council and you give sarcastic replies to people you disagree with, sometimes it is better to be wrong because it humbles you and you learn and grow from being wrong much more often than being right

 

[Journeyman]

No I do NOT claim Nero is antichrist......I have given tons of evidence that that is no THE antichrist......antichrist is not one peson but any and all persons who deny the FAther and the Son.

There could be one person that the world follows after, but it really is no different from how the world follows the devil.

You are absolutely right that antichrist includes any and all persons. The embodiment of satan, who deny the the Father and Son.

Like a counterpart, "the testimony of two men is true" (two witnesses).

 

[Blain]

There could be one person that the world follows after, but it really is no different from how the world follows the devil.

You are absolutely right that antichrist includes any and all persons. The embodiment of satan, who deny the the Father and Son.

Like a counterpart, "the testimony of two men is true" (two witnesses).

True there is no The antichrist but there is the man of sin and lawlessness the antichrist is mainly what people refer to him as so it is kind of built into most peoples wording for this person.

 

[Journeyman]

True there is no The antichrist but there is the man of sin and lawlessness the antichrist is mainly what people refer to him as so it is kind of built into most peoples wording for this person.

The context of the passage in Thessalonians mentioning the "man of sin" is "a strong delusion", but Paul is cautioning those within the body of Christ, not those outside of it and it would seem anyone who declared himself to be God couldnt be a strong delusion to any congregation. So something is not quite right with the mainstream interpretation of Paul's meaning.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The propgetic time line that God set into place and that also is who made the timeline when you study bible prophecy you can see a timeline and as for the treaty or deal or covenant

Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven In the middle of the ‘seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him

Daniel Chapter 9

3rd vision in the 1st year of the reign of Darius, king of the Chaldeans 538 BC

2. Daniel gets information from the writing of Jeremiah:

The number of years (70) for the completion of the desolation of Jerusalem (the Babylon captivity/Jeremiah 25: 11-12) after which God promised to restore Israel….see notes under verse 24.

THESE VERSES ARE THE KEY TO THE REST OF THIS PROPHECY because the 70 years in this verse refer to the length of the BABYLON captivity (from the time of captivity until the Jews return to Jerusalem)

Verses 3 – 19 are Daniel’s prayer, a confession of his people’s sins and a plea for mercy
20 – 23 Gabriel comes to Daniel while he is praying, the angel came to give Daniel insight and understanding of the vision.
24. “70 weeks had been decreed for your people (Jews) and your holy city”.

( In Isaiah 45: 1-3, 13 the Lord gives the name of the one who would free them…CYRUS, who overthrew Babylon in October 539 BC. 42,360 Jews returned (Ezra 2:64) and the journey was completed from Babylon to Jerusalem by 535 BC…..EXACTLY 70 years from the year of their captivity in 605 BC)

This is Christ Jesus: verses 24 - 25
To finish the transgressions and sins and make atonement for their iniquity
Jesus was wounded for our transgressions Is 53:5…and made an end of them……IT IS FINISHED Heb 9:15 Heb 9:26 Matt. 1:21 John 1:29
Bring in everlasting righteousness
Seal up visions and prophecies (He is the fulfillment of prophesy, we look for no other Messiah)
Annoint the Most Holy (Jesus Christ Luke 4: 18-22)

25 From the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (by Artaxerxes I in 457 BC, the 7th year of his reign, see Ezra 7: 12-26…….the first advent view of prophecy)

Until Messiah the Prince……shall be 69 weeks (483 years) (7 +62)….the street and even the wall will be built. (see Nehemiah) 457BC to 27AD is 483 years

AND after the 62 weeks Messiah will be cut off (the CROSS)
And the people of the prince who is to come (one of the Caesars, the use of the singular ‘prince’ signifies one Caesar in particular, but the Caesar reign en toto was opposed to any worship but Caesar worship.)

These people will destroy the city and the temple….the end coming with a flood ( of invaders) and there will be much desolation such as the Lord has determined (ordained) (“ the people” are the army of Caesar)

And HE ( Jesus Christ) shall confirm the covenant (the NEW COVENANT) with the MANY (the sheep of the Jewish nation are the MANY) for one week*; and in the midst of the week he is cut off. (a week signifies 7 in days,, months or years) (the ministry of Jesus Christ lasted 3 ½ years)………
Messiah is cut off in the middle of the 70th WEEK, or after 3 ½ years
His ministry on earth was for 3 ½ years. (baptism by John the Baptist to the cross)

Daniels 70th WEEK
one week …the first half Christ Himself sought the lost sheep of ISRAEL, then is cut off….the apostles continued this ministry to Israel for another 3 ½ years….
at which time the Jews were rejected and the gospel is preached to ALL tribes (Jews) and nations (Gentiles!)
to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles Romans 1:16
to you (the Jews) first Acts 3:25-26
(preached) to none but the Jews only Acts 8:4, 11:9, 13:46
the conversion of Cornelius marked the first gentile convert, SIGNIFYING that the gospel was to ALL and not just for the Jews. Cornelius’s conversion was approximately 3 ½ years after the cross. Reading the events in ACTS…it’s very possible that 3 ½ years passed before the conversion of Cornelius, completing the 70th week.

End of 70th week marks the rejection of Israel by God. SEE NOTE ON verse 27
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (the cross sealed the new covenant….the Lamb is sacrificed…once for all……the end of man’s offering for sin.

This makes more sense in harmonizing the scriptures, that the 70th week follows the 69th week, than to SPECULATE that the 70th week will occur several HUNDRED YEARS after the 69th week……a position that pre-tribbers MUST take to make their theory fit these scriptures.> (or rather to make scripture fit THEIR speculations)

26. Then after the 62 weeks (434 years) Messiah will be cut off (the CROSS), and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Messiah is cut off (crucified on the cross) and the armies of a Caesar (the prince who is to come) destroy the city and the temple. And it’s end will come with a flood (of people…large army) <the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, =Luke 21:20 harmoniMatthew 24:15=
Even to the end there will be war; (the Jews in the city fought until the end)
Desolations are determined (God has ordained the persecutions and destructions)

27 And He (Christ) will make a firm covenant with the many (the Jews) for one week (7 years)

This does not mean the covenant lasts for only 7 years, but that the covenant with the MANY, the Jews will be for 7 years/one week, in the middle of the week all temple sacrifices cease, (the cross is mid-week)

NOTE: the covenant prevailed with Daniel’s people for 7 years. It was not a matter of how long the covenant would last, but how long the covenant would be confirmed with Israel.

Complete destruction…..the temple is destroyed forever in 70 AD (not one stone left upon another)

“the people of the prince”, does not mean they were God’s elect people, but that he put this in the hearts of men to do His will, making them His servants, His people, His work.
REFERENCE Jeremiah 6: 18-23; 34: 2, 22; 13: 9-27; Ez 24: 9, 21; Jeremiah 25: 8-11
MESSIAH is THE PRINCE throughout these verses
On the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.

Through the Caesar dynasty, the complete destruction of the temple is completed, …..and God then made desolate those who caused the destruction……..the Dynasty of the Caesars is destroyed.

The Lord has done this many times in history,….caused the ungodly to come against Israel or to destroy the temple, ….then…..when His purpose is completed, He causes the ungodly to be punished for their deeds.

“ the Lord put it in their hearts to execute His will” and it is done. Revelation 17:17

NOTE: “make a covenant” is not true to the Hebrew word, GABAR (#1396 in Strong’s) which means to CONFIRM the covenant. Only Christ has the power to “covenant”

 

[GraceAndTruth]

There could be one person that the world follows after, but it really is no different from how the world follows the devil.

You are absolutely right that antichrist includes any and all persons. The embodiment of satan, who deny the the Father and Son.

Like a counterpart, "the testimony of two men is true" (two witnesses).

Only if one needs a boogey-man for the pretrib theory.

 

[Blain]

Daniel Chapter 9

3rd vision in the 1st year of the reign of Darius, king of the Chaldeans 538 BC

2. Daniel gets information from the writing of Jeremiah:

The number of years (70) for the completion of the desolation of Jerusalem (the Babylon captivity/Jeremiah 25: 11-12) after which God promised to restore Israel….see notes under verse 24.

THESE VERSES ARE THE KEY TO THE REST OF THIS PROPHECY because the 70 years in this verse refer to the length of the BABYLON captivity (from the time of captivity until the Jews return to Jerusalem)

Verses 3 – 19 are Daniel’s prayer, a confession of his people’s sins and a plea for mercy
20 – 23 Gabriel comes to Daniel while he is praying, the angel came to give Daniel insight and understanding of the vision.
24. “70 weeks had been decreed for your people (Jews) and your holy city”.

( In Isaiah 45: 1-3, 13 the Lord gives the name of the one who would free them…CYRUS, who overthrew Babylon in October 539 BC. 42,360 Jews returned (Ezra 2:64) and the journey was completed from Babylon to Jerusalem by 535 BC…..EXACTLY 70 years from the year of their captivity in 605 BC)

This is Christ Jesus: verses 24 - 25
To finish the transgressions and sins and make atonement for their iniquity
Jesus was wounded for our transgressions Is 53:5…and made an end of them……IT IS FINISHED Heb 9:15 Heb 9:26 Matt. 1:21 John 1:29
Bring in everlasting righteousness
Seal up visions and prophecies (He is the fulfillment of prophesy, we look for no other Messiah)
Annoint the Most Holy (Jesus Christ Luke 4: 18-22)

25 From the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (by Artaxerxes I in 457 BC, the 7th year of his reign, see Ezra 7: 12-26…….the first advent view of prophecy)

Until Messiah the Prince……shall be 69 weeks (483 years) (7 +62)….the street and even the wall will be built. (see Nehemiah) 457BC to 27AD is 483 years

AND after the 62 weeks Messiah will be cut off (the CROSS)
And the people of the prince who is to come (one of the Caesars, the use of the singular ‘prince’ signifies one Caesar in particular, but the Caesar reign en toto was opposed to any worship but Caesar worship.)

These people will destroy the city and the temple….the end coming with a flood ( of invaders) and there will be much desolation such as the Lord has determined (ordained) (“ the people” are the army of Caesar)

And HE ( Jesus Christ) shall confirm the covenant (the NEW COVENANT) with the MANY (the sheep of the Jewish nation are the MANY) for one week*; and in the midst of the week he is cut off. (a week signifies 7 in days,, months or years) (the ministry of Jesus Christ lasted 3 ½ years)………
Messiah is cut off in the middle of the 70th WEEK, or after 3 ½ years
His ministry on earth was for 3 ½ years. (baptism by John the Baptist to the cross)

Daniels 70th WEEK
one week …the first half Christ Himself sought the lost sheep of ISRAEL, then is cut off….the apostles continued this ministry to Israel for another 3 ½ years….
at which time the Jews were rejected and the gospel is preached to ALL tribes (Jews) and nations (Gentiles!)
to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles Romans 1:16
to you (the Jews) first Acts 3:25-26
(preached) to none but the Jews only Acts 8:4, 11:9, 13:46
the conversion of Cornelius marked the first gentile convert, SIGNIFYING that the gospel was to ALL and not just for the Jews. Cornelius’s conversion was approximately 3 ½ years after the cross. Reading the events in ACTS…it’s very possible that 3 ½ years passed before the conversion of Cornelius, completing the 70th week.

End of 70th week marks the rejection of Israel by God. SEE NOTE ON verse 27
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (the cross sealed the new covenant….the Lamb is sacrificed…once for all……the end of man’s offering for sin.

This makes more sense in harmonizing the scriptures, that the 70th week follows the 69th week, than to SPECULATE that the 70th week will occur several HUNDRED YEARS after the 69th week……a position that pre-tribbers MUST take to make their theory fit these scriptures.> (or rather to make scripture fit THEIR speculations)

26. Then after the 62 weeks (434 years) Messiah will be cut off (the CROSS), and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Messiah is cut off (crucified on the cross) and the armies of a Caesar (the prince who is to come) destroy the city and the temple. And it’s end will come with a flood (of people…large army) <the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, =Luke 21:20 harmoniMatthew 24:15=
Even to the end there will be war; (the Jews in the city fought until the end)
Desolations are determined (God has ordained the persecutions and destructions)

27 And He (Christ) will make a firm covenant with the many (the Jews) for one week (7 years)

This does not mean the covenant lasts for only 7 years, but that the covenant with the MANY, the Jews will be for 7 years/one week, in the middle of the week all temple sacrifices cease, (the cross is mid-week)

NOTE: the covenant prevailed with Daniel’s people for 7 years. It was not a matter of how long the covenant would last, but how long the covenant would be confirmed with Israel.

Complete destruction…..the temple is destroyed forever in 70 AD (not one stone left upon another)

“the people of the prince”, does not mean they were God’s elect people, but that he put this in the hearts of men to do His will, making them His servants, His people, His work.
REFERENCE Jeremiah 6: 18-23; 34: 2, 22; 13: 9-27; Ez 24: 9, 21; Jeremiah 25: 8-11
MESSIAH is THE PRINCE throughout these verses
On the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.

Through the Caesar dynasty, the complete destruction of the temple is completed, …..and God then made desolate those who caused the destruction……..the Dynasty of the Caesars is destroyed.

The Lord has done this many times in history,….caused the ungodly to come against Israel or to destroy the temple, ….then…..when His purpose is completed, He causes the ungodly to be punished for their deeds.

“ the Lord put it in their hearts to execute His will” and it is done. Revelation 17:17

NOTE: “make a covenant” is not true to the Hebrew word, GABAR (#1396 in Strong’s) which means to CONFIRM the covenant. Only Christ has the power to “covenant”

This is well organized but the issue is that you claim we are in the millenia yet Jesus died more than a thousand years ago and everything you quoted before him was well beyond that so how can we be in the millenia when the millenia is to be a thousand years?

 

[GraceAndTruth]

This is well organized but the issue is that you claim we are in the millenia yet Jesus died more than a thousand years ago and everything you quoted before him was well beyond that so how can we be in the millenia when the millenia is to be a thousand years?

i have also posted this information several times ...... but here goes again:


The Greek word translated as thousand is chiloi.
chiloi has the meaning of many thousand.
If only ONE thousand was intended the Greek word would have been chilias.

It's like the bible saying that God ownd the cattle on a thousand hills. It is not meant as ONLY ONE thousand.
or 1 Peter 3:8 a thosand years is like a day to the Lord

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" means that all time is as nothing before Him, because in the presence as in the nature of God, all is eternity; therefore nothing is long, nothing short, before Him. Actually, to Him, time itself does not have the same effect that it has upon us

Therefor to say we are IN the millennia is correct. The millennia is from the cross to the rapture.

 

[Blain]

i have also posted this information several times ...... but here goes again:


The Greek word translated as thousand is chiloi.
chiloi has the meaning of many thousand.
If only ONE thousand was intended the Greek word would have been chilias.

It's like the bible saying that God ownd the cattle on a thousand hills. It is not meant as ONLY ONE thousand.
or 1 Peter 3:8 a thosand years is like a day to the Lord

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" means that all time is as nothing before Him, because in the presence as in the nature of God, all is eternity; therefore nothing is long, nothing short, before Him. Actually, to Him, time itself does not have the same effect that it has upon us

Therefor to say we are IN the millennia is correct. The millennia is from the cross to the rapture.

Yes but it also depends on the context it is used in, such as through out the gospels mathew 15:38 Mathew 16:10 Mark8:9-20 in romans in revelation in acts all throughout the new testament this word means a thousand but always has a number behind it when it means more than one and in revelation 20:2-7 and this is the kjv it speaks of the Milenia and who would be in it

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison

Notice how it says a thousand years which means it is in thesne like a big fruit not many big fruit or a gated fence not many gated fence unlike with the rest of the new testament I mentioned there is no number behind it Not to mention there is the issue of this mark this has yet to be seen and if the rapture is the only thing left in the prophetic timeline then where is this mark in history?

 

[Ahwatukee]

i have also posted this information several times ...... but here goes again:


The Greek word translated as thousand is chiloi.
chiloi has the meaning of many thousand.
If only ONE thousand was intended the Greek word would have been chilias.

Strong's Concordance
chilioi: a thousand
Original Word: χίλιοι, αι, α
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: chilioi
Phonetic Spelling: (khil'-ee-oy)
Definition: a thousand
Usage: a thousand.

HELPS Word-studies
5507 xílioi – properly, a thousand

The fact is, that the scripture states "a thousand years" not "thousands of years," which is what the translation would be if it did mean many thousands.

It's like the bible saying that God own the cattle on a thousand hills. It is not meant as ONLY ONE thousand.
or 1 Peter 3:8 a thousand years is like a day to the Lord

You Amillennialist's are so predictable, as these are the same apologetics that I have contended against for years. Psalm 50:10 which says, "I own cattle on a thousand hills" infers that God own all of the hills and all the cattle and this meaning should be kept within its own context. Revelation 20:1-7 however, has nothing to do with Psalm 50:10 nor 1 1 Peter 3:8 nor their meanings. The thousand years in Revelation 20 has its own context and should be interpreted accordingly. For the thousand years mentioned here is not symbolic, but means exactly what it states 6 times with verses 1 thru 7 the meaning of which is a literal thousand years.

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" means that all time is as nothing before Him, because in the presence as in the nature of God, all is eternity; therefore nothing is long, nothing short, before Him. Actually, to Him, time itself does not have the same effect that it has upon us

This saying of Peter's also has nothing to do with the literal future thousand year kingdom. But its meaning is that God is not restricted by time. But you people come along and apply it to the literal thousand years in which Satan will be bound in the Abyss, symbolizing it so that you distort the literal meaning.

The fact is that if we were living in the thousand years, then Satan would have to currently be locked up in the Abyss to be kept from deceiving the nations. And if you're going to claim that he is locked up so that he is not deceiving the nations, then you are not aware of what is going on in the world, for he and his angels are very much in the world, deceiving mankind.

Therefor to say we are IN the millennia is correct. The millennia is from the cross to the rapture.

This is just another lie from Satan!!! There are many events that must take place prior to the thousand years, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments for one, with Christ returning to the earth to end the age following that. In addition, none of the characteristics of the millennial kingdom are currently existing. When have you ever seen lions eat straw like the Ox? When a man dies at a hundred, when has he been referred to as a mere child or accursed? When has a child put his hand into a vipers nest and not be harmed. When have prey and predator animals and their young lied down together in peace? The answer is never! None of these characteristics exist, therefore they must be future events.

My advice to you, is to cut yourself off from the teachings of men and believe what you are reading in the word of God! Learn to discern what is literal and what is symbolic. The scripture below is truly being fulfilled in these last days:

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."