The fourth beast in Daniel 7 who devours the whole earth?

[luigi]

The four beasts, lion, bear, leopard, and the 4th beast with ten horns, are separate entities in Daniel 7, whereas in Revelation 13 they are all joined together as one, the one world order. As such, the four beasts can be recognized representing all the world's nations as the four leading, but different type socio economic systems. Another assessment that can be made from the four beasts in Daniel 7 that are diverse from each other, and therefore not unified yet as they are in Revelation 13, is that the four horsemen in Revelation 6 who also are different in their agendas from each other, would correspond to the chaotic world prior to their unification.

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

NO! I'm not even talking about Daniel 2. But you have to resort to injecting other misinterpretations from All over the place to confound the discussion.

But let us discuss Daniel 2: The legs of Iron refers to the Roman Republic before it took control of Judea and the promise land. Then the feet with Iron and Clay is Roman Republic in its transition to Roman Empire while at the same time controlled and conquered Judea and the promise land.

The fourth beast is Iron Legs and the fourth beast controlling Judea the promise land is Iron and Clay feet.

The Siege of Jerusalem (63 BC) occurred during Pompey the Great's campaigns in the East,
The first intervention of Rome in the region dates from 63 BCE, following the end of the Third Mithridatic War, when Rome established the province of Syria. After the defeat of Mithridates VI of Pontus, Pompey sacked Jerusalem and installed Hasmonean prince Hyrcanus II as Ethnarch and High Priest but not as king.

The first triumvirate began in 60 BC. We even see that Pompey is one of the three members of the first triumvirate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate

Some years later Julius Caesar (another member of the triumvirate which are the three kings that fell in Daniel 7) appointed Antipater the Idumaean, also known as Antipas, as the first Roman Procurator. Antipater's son Herod was designated "King of the Jews" by the Roman Senate in 40 BCE[4] but he did not gain military control until 37 BCE. During his reign (the last representatives of the Hasmoneans were eliminated, and the huge port of Caesarea Maritima was built. Herod died in 4 BCE,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_(Roman_province)

During the time period of 63BC to 4 BC the fourth beast transitioned from Roman Republic to the Roman Empire.

During this time period we go from Roman Republic (Legs of Iron) to Roman Empire controlling Judea and promise land (Feet of Iron and clay)

It all fits together like hand to glove. But you don't like this because it rips apart your bogus interpretations.

No it don’t fit together like a glove

the head was first, babylon

then came media-persia then greece

after which cam rome, in christ day,

followed by the feet of iron and clay.

i tried to start at Dan 7 because i assumed you understood daniel two, but I guess I should not have assumed

we also have revelation, there are actually in chapter 17, there were 7 kings

5 had fallen in johns day (Egypt, assyria, Babylon, media-persia, greece)

egypt and assyria fell before daniels prophecies,

babylon through rome were mentioned in his prophecies as parts of the statue or the beasts

1 Is. (Rome) Rome, or the legs of iron help power over Israel in Johns day, at this point we are at the legs of iron

1 is yet to come, this is a future kingdom which at the time of writing had not come yet. The only possibility is the feet of iron and clay, the Loosely bound kingdom or future restoration of the Roman Empire who had suffered a fatal womb and has been risen from the dead.

this is my last warning for you to stop with your attitude man, do you want to discuss or just act like a child who is not getting his way so he has to resort to childish remarks?


you asked me to show you what parts of the kingdom have not occured yet, I gave them to you and you have not even started to discuss them yet.you have totally skipped most of my thoughts on why I think it is future, why is that?

my Posts takes the prophecies in revelation and matches them with daniels prophecies, yet you have totally ignored them. Then claim I am twisting or adding.
whatever man.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The four beasts, lion, bear, leopard, and the 4th beast with ten horns, are separate entities in Daniel 7, whereas in Revelation 13 they are all joined together as one, the one world order. As such, the four beasts can be recognized representing all the world's nations as the four leading, but different type socio economic systems. Another assessment that can be made from the four beasts in Daniel 7 that are diverse from each other, and therefore not unified yet as they are in Revelation 13, is that the four horsemen in Revelation 6 who also are different in their agendas from each other, would correspond to the chaotic world prior to their unification.

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

It’s like daniel 2, all 4 empires where seen together in one statue,

the sea represents the earth, and all 4 where diverse, agreed,

yet each empire took parts of the previous empire, so when the final empire came, it has parts of all 4, think of the statue, the empires stood on the final empire which was the strongest, yet at the same time showed the weakness of mankind, as compared to God, which is proven when the rock (Christ) destroys the statue and when it is done, no sign or resemblance of any of the empires remain.

look today, when You see the Us you prety much see much of Rome, the way the government is set up, the strength of its military, and even here lately the division which in my view will be her downfall (division, which is what destroyed the Rome of the past)

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The four beasts, lion, bear, leopard, and the 4th beast with ten horns, are separate entities in Daniel 7, whereas in Revelation 13 they are all joined together as one, the one world order.

This is a wrong interpretation of Rev 13. Let's stay on point with Daniel 7.

Here is the fundamental problem: You cannot correctly interpret prophesy until AFTER it is fulfilled.
You are all trying to interpret prophesy in the lens of it not yet being fulfilled. This is a fundamentally flawed approach.

Just look at Daniel. He was a prophet from God and was the one who had these visions from God. Yet he could not understand them. WHY? Because they had not yet been fulfilled.

Daniel 7:28
28 “This is the end of the matter. I, Daniel, was deeply troubled by my thoughts, and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”
Daniel 8:27
27 I, Daniel, was worn out. I lay exhausted for several days. Then I got up and went about the king’s business. I was appalled by the vision; it was beyond understanding.

Biblical prophesy are the shadows of things to come. You cannot see the full picture with only the shadows. To understand Biblical prophesy you have to match up the shadows with the accounts of another witness: the historical record.
Biblical prophesy is only one witness - it is only part of the puzzle.

You can't complete the puzzle with only some of the pieces. Do you understand this?

You Need a second witness to complete the puzzle of biblical prophesies. Therefore you can only make sense of the prophesies AFTER they have been fulfilled and correctly matched to the historical record.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

No it don’t fit together like a glove

the head was first, babylon

then came media-persia then greece

after which cam rome, in christ day,

followed by the feet of iron and clay.

I can stop you right here. Jesus of Nazereth was the Rock cut out, but not by human hand. Jesus of Nazerath was the Rock that hit the statue at its FEET smashing it to pieces and bringing it all to chaff on the threshing floor.

Jesus was around during the time when Rome (Iron) had conquered and controlled Judea and the promise land (potters clay).
This fits exactly with the fourth beast of Daniel when it had a little horn that had already completed its rise (took the power from the Tribune of the Plebs, 10 kings) and caused three kings to fall (1st and 2nd triumvirate).

Daniel 2:31-35
31 “Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

The mountain is the spiritual kingdom of God that has already come upon the earth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I can stop you right here. Jesus of Nazereth was the Rock cut out, but not by human hand. Jesus of Nazerath was the Rock that hit the statue at its FEET smashing it to pieces and bringing it all to chaff on the threshing floor.

Jesus was around during the time when Rome had conquered and controlled Judea and the promise land.
This fits exactly with the fourth beast of Daniel when it had a little horn that completely its rise (and took the power from the Tribune of the Plebs, 10 kings) and caused three kings to fall (1st and 2nd triumvirate).

Daniel 2:31-35
31 “Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

Jesus the rock has not yet destroyed the statue, rome lived on for many years, that Should be your first clue, i fact if you look, rome lives on today in Europe and the US,

still waiting for you to show me where all the things i mentioned which has not happened yet have occured?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is a wrong interpretation of Rev 13. Let's stay on point with Daniel 7.

Here is the fundamental problem: You cannot correctly interpret prophesy until AFTER it is fulfilled.
You are all trying to interpret prophesy in the lens of it not yet being fulfilled. This is a fundamentally flawed approach.

Just look at Daniel. He was a prophet from God and was the one who had these visions from God. Yet he could not understand them. WHY? Because they had not yet been fulfilled.

Daniel 7:28
28 “This is the end of the matter. I, Daniel, was deeply troubled by my thoughts, and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”
Daniel 8:27
27 I, Daniel, was worn out. I lay exhausted for several days. Then I got up and went about the king’s business. I was appalled by the vision; it was beyond understanding.

Biblical prophesy are the shadows of things to come. You cannot see the full picture with only the shadows. To understand Biblical prophesy you have to match up the shadows with the accounts of another witness: the historical record.
Biblical prophesy is only one witness - it is only part of the puzzle.

You can't complete the puzzle with only some of the pieces. Do you understand this?

You Need a second witness to complete the puzzle of biblical prophesies. Therefore you can only make sense of the prophesies AFTER they have been fulfilled and correctly matched to the historical record.

Rev gives us a more detailed look at the final beast of daniel 7, that’s the part you seem to be missing, you can’t look at one without the other

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Jesus the rock has not yet destroyed the statue, rome lived on for many years, that Should be your first clue, i fact if you look, rome lives on today in Europe and the US,

still waiting for you to show me where all the things i mentioned which has not happened yet have occured?

The mountain is the spiritual kingdom of God that has already come upon the earth.
The Rock that was cut, but by no human hand in Daniel 2, is also refered to as Prince of princes in Daniel 8:25
Clear discernment of Prince of princes in Daniel as to King of kings in Revelation.
Prince of princes is Jesus's first coming.
King of kings is Jesus's second coming.

The Rock that was cut, but by no human hand in Daniel 2, is also refered to as the Son of man in Daniel 7:13-14

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Daniel 7:13-14 are events that take place immediately after the Assension of Jesus in Luke 24:50-51

Luke 24:50-51
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.

I have provided all the evidence you need. All is consistant, all is tested and can be confirmed both within bible and to a second witness which is the historical record. But you are not interested in seeing this fulfilled prophesy because it contains spiritual truths.
You are not interested in these spiritual truths.

So you instead speculate on future fulfillments which can fit whatever you want to see.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The mountain is the spiritual kingdom of God that has already come upon the earth.
The Rock that was cut, but by no human hand in Daniel 2, is also refered to as Prince of princes in Daniel 8:25
The Rock that was cut, but by no human hand in Daniel 2, is also refered to as the Son of man in Daniel 7:13-14

Daniel 7:13-14
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Daniel 7:13-14 are events that take place immediately after the Assension of Jesus in Luke 24:50-51

Luke 24:50-51
50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.

I have provided all the evidence you need. All is consistant, all is tested and con be confirmed with a second witness which is the historical record. But you are not interested in seeing this fulfilled prophesy because it contains spiritual truths.
You are not interested in spiritual truths.

So you instead speculate on future fulfillments which can fit whatever you want to see.

Yet the statue still stands,

in Dan 9, Gabriel tells daniel that that 4th beast which will destroy the city and temple will return as the prince who is to come who will commit the abomination of desolation, the same price jesus mentioned in matt 24, who would commit that abomination which will begin the great tribulation which will Be unlike any the world has ever seen or will ever see after, it is at the end of this period, because mankind is at the point that all flesh will perish if he does not intervene. That he will return

THIS is the crushing blow that will destroy the statue, as the final prince of the 4th beast is defeated and Jesus sets up his own kingdom which will live forever,

your stuck on 1 passage man, prophecy is putting all the different prophecies together and making them one, where they all fit like puzzle pieces,

the rock has yet to crush the statue

again, rome lived for centuries after Christ left, it was not destroyed

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Rev gives us a more detailed look at the final beast of daniel 7, that’s the part you seem to be missing, you can’t look at one without the other

No. Revelation tells of a different beast that works in tandem with a false prophet.

The beasts in Daniel, none of them worked in tandem with a false prophet.

Also to consider in Revelation:

Does Revelation only tell of one beast and one false prophet?
OR
Does Revelation forewarn us that there will be many beast and false prophet institutions that will come?

We can't know until after it is fulfilled and we do the proper alignment of biblical prophesy to historical record.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Yet the statue still stands,

in Dan 9, Gabriel tells daniel that that 4th beast which will destroy the city and temple

Again you are just looking at literal truth.
The 4th beast is already defeated, spiritually defeated, at this point prior to the city and temple being destroyed.

Which the city and temple being destroyed occured between 66AD and 73AD

You have to understand that although over a million people we slaughtered during the seige of Jerusalem 70 AD, some of those people recognized the prophesy fulfillment in Daniel and in the Gospels particular Matthew 24 and Luke 22. They saw the desolation coming onto Jersulam. They saw this unfolding, they repented and believe in Christ JEsus and were saved spiritually even though they were literally slaughter by the 4th beast - Roman Empire.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No. Revelation tells of a different beast that works in tandem with a false prophet.

The beasts in Daniel, none of them worked in tandem with a false prophet.

Also to consider in Revelation:

Does Revelation only tell of one beast and one false prophet?
OR
Does Revelation forewarn us that there will be many beast and false prophet institutions that will come?

We can't know until after it is fulfilled and we do the proper alignment of biblical prophesy to historical record.

Lol, you can’t see it if you do not want to

there are only 4 beasts, not 5 not 6. Revelation did not add another beast,

as for dan 7, let’s take a look at it

Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all otherkingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.

this is rome in Christ's time, it trample all the previous kingdoms and had more than any other beast,

24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.

the ten horns arise out of the kingdom, the kingdom does not arise out of them as you are claiming, the kingdom which devoured was ceasar. Out of that kingdom 10 kings will arise

And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

see rev 13

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, (pompous words) and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. ( times time and half a time)6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

See how these perfectly match each other?


26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

this beast ends with the earth given to the saints, if you look deeper, it ends with the return of Christ when he takes his seat.

You have things backwards and you have these things which have not yet happened yet occuring, that’s not even getting into the rest of stuff that has not happened.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again you are just looking at literal truth.

that’s how you must interpret prophecy, if you Interpret it any other way, then it loses its purpose, which is to show the world the one true God who can declair things will happen thousand of years in the future, and they LITERALLY come true.

God declaired to Isreal that if a prophet makes a prophecy and that prophecy does not come true, that prophet is not from God and should not be feared

sy,no.oozing prophecy is dangerous, that’s how Nostradamus is seen, a prophet who if you symbolise a few words predicted things in the future,

God does not work that way, he said Christ in his first advent would do some th8ngs. Every one of them literally came true

he said there would be four kingdoms, everything he said about them with the exception of some things concerning the final beast literally came true, using precedence, if everything up to that point literally came true, everything after it should to. if you can not find it, it has not yet happened, you do not spiritualise it away so your belief system can be secured,

The 4th beast is already defeated, spiritually defeated, at this point prior to the city and temple being destroyed.

Which the city and temple being destroyed occured between 66AD and 73AD

You have to understand that although over a million people we slaughtered during the seige of Jerusalem 70 AD, some of those people recognized the prophesy fulfillment in Daniel and in the Gospels particular Matthew 24 and Luke 22. They saw the desolation coming onto Jersulam. They saw this unfolding, they repented and believe in Christ JEsus and were saved spiritually even though they were literally slaughter by the 4th beast - Roman Empire.

lol

once again, tell me when those things literally happened, or I can not listen to you, because you are making Gods prophets false prophets.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Actuall. False interpretations in daniel occured when people take a view of the church replacing Israel as recieving specific promises only given to Israel,

daniel is not only about the times of Christ, it is also about the times at the return of Christ, and the great battles we have yet to witness,

you poor soul

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you poor soul

Hey, it’s not my God who does not keep his promises, you need to go look in a mirror my friend then say poor soul

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Hey, it’s not my God who does not keep his promises, you need to go look in a mirror my friend then say poor soul

POOR SOUL

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

that’s how you must interpret prophecy, if you Interpret it any other way, then it loses its purpose, which is to show the world the one true God who can declair things will happen thousand of years in the future, and they LITERALLY come true.

God declaired to Isreal that if a prophet makes a prophecy and that prophecy does not come true, that prophet is not from God and should not be feared

sy,no.oozing prophecy is dangerous, that’s how Nostradamus is seen, a prophet who if you symbolise a few words predicted things in the future,

God does not work that way, he said Christ in his first advent would do some th8ngs. Every one of them literally came true

he said there would be four kingdoms, everything he said about them with the exception of some things concerning the final beast literally came true, using precedence, if everything up to that point literally came true, everything after it should to. if you can not find it, it has not yet happened, you do not spiritualise it away so your belief system can be secured,


lol

once again, tell me when those things literally happened, or I can not listen to you, because you are making Gods prophets false prophets.

Those inside Jerusalum in 70AD who repented and believed on Jesus Christ were saved. Even though they were killed or martyred much like James or like Stephen in the book of Acts they had victory over the enemy. They had spiritual victory over the beast, which at that time was Roman Empire - the fourth beast of Daniel.

Sure there is plenty of literal fulfillment of the four beasts in Daniel. And I explained that as well. But there too is spiritual fulfillment too. The bible is a book of earthly truths and a book of spiritual truths.

As Paul says, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain".

I am done. I said all I have to say. If you want to carry on in this thread go ahead. I will stop now.

Many Blessings and Peace to you eternally grateful.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

POOR SOUL

Yawn

come talk to me when you have something important to add

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those inside Jerusalum in 70AD who repented and believed on Jesus Christ were saved. Even though they were killed or martyred much like James or like Stephen in the book of Acts they had victory over the enemy. They had spiritual victory over the beast, which at that time was Roman Empire - the fourth beast of Daniel.

Sure there is plenty of literal fulfillment of the four beasts in Daniel. And I explained that as well. But there too is spiritual fulfillment too. The bible is a book of earthly truths and a book of spiritual truths.

As Paul says, "To live is Christ, and to die is gain".

I am done. I said all I have to say. If you want to carry on in this thread go ahead. I will stop now.

Many Blessings and Peace to you eternally grateful.

You NEVER interpret prophecy spiritually

if we could we can make prophecy say whatever we want it to say, and there is no way to PROVE our interpretation

the fact is, in 70 Ad for the first time judah was completely removed from the land and carried off to many places (Babylon only took a few to Babylon the rest where allowed to stay)

hence the two nations made one again, has not yet happened, which means it is future,

there is far to much prophecy all through scripture which has not occurred yet unless you spiritualise it,

in you view. We must spiritualise it

in my view, I can’t. If I can. It find it. It has not happened, so I trust God when he says it will happen, it will

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Yawn

come talk to me when you have something important to add

I have never addressed you FIRST, ever....and I never will