Today’s church’s misunderstandings

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throughfaith

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They are all in context of of 1O commandments

1 John 2:7
1 John 4:20-21
1 cor 7:19 This one shows the differences between ceremonial and the 10 Commandments.
1 cor 7.19
The idea of the passage is for you to stay in the condition in which you find yourself. Paul uses circumcision to illustrate the principle in verses 18 and 19. If you are saved, you don’t need to change your condition in order to get saved or stay saved. Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation. Uncircumcision has nothing to do with salvation. After all, the main thing about those things is whether or not they are “the keeping of the commandments of God.” Where the commandment of God is not given then the thing doesn’t amount to anything. There is no commandment of God given in the New Testament about circumcision or uncircumcision in regards to salvation. It isn’t given. So if it is not a commandment of God, then don’t worry about it.
 

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1 cor 7.19
The idea of the passage is for you to stay in the condition in which you find yourself. Paul uses circumcision to illustrate the principle in verses 18 and 19. If you are saved, you don’t need to change your condition in order to get saved or stay saved. Circumcision has nothing to do with salvation. Uncircumcision has nothing to do with salvation. After all, the main thing about those things is whether or not they are “the keeping of the commandments of God.” Where the commandment of God is not given then the thing doesn’t amount to anything. There is no commandment of God given in the New Testament about circumcision or uncircumcision in regards to salvation. It isn’t given. So if it is not a commandment of God, then don’t worry about it.
Notice what what it is talking about in the start of Chapter 7 its talking about marriage. I.e don't don't comment Adultery.
 

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They are both. and 1cor 7.19 does same say "Commandments of God".
Your not reading the context of 1 cor 7 properly. It doesn't mandate keeping the commandments it explains that circumcision wasn't the point .
 

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Notice what what it is talking about in the start of Chapter 7 its talking about marriage. I.e don't don't comment Adultery.
No one is saying commiting adultery is good. Even atheists know this . Now if we understand what still constitutes as adultery now this helps understand how we can avoid it .
 

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Notice what what it is talking about in the start of Chapter 7 its talking about marriage. I.e don't don't comment Adultery.
Fornication is promiscuous acts here and there. How do you avoid that? “Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.” That is a commandment.
 

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No one is saying commiting adultery is good. Even atheists know this . Now if we understand what still constitutes as adultery now this helps understand how we can avoid it .
Is this not part of the 10 commandments i.e Don't comment Adultery> Was only saying the context shows you what Commandments they are talking about.
 

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Notice what what it is talking about in the start of Chapter 7 its talking about marriage. I.e don't don't comment Adultery.
Your confused about observation of the law , requirements of the law , the purpose of the law and the fulfilment of the law . The flesh is drawn to ' law keeping , rule keeping , and self righteousness. And delusion that they are keeping it. Thats why the world thinks religion is ok in the main , because its works righteousness and the flesh is drawn to ' good deeds ' religions.
 

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Your confused about observation of the law , requirements of the law , the purpose of the law and the fulfilment of the law . The flesh is drawn to ' law keeping , rule keeping , and self righteousness. And delusion that they are keeping it. Thats why the world thinks religion is ok in the main , because its works righteousness and the flesh is drawn to ' good deeds ' religions.
you should only keep the law out of love for God, not justification. Not sure how that is confusing to you. just because I up hold the law does not mean someone is justified by it. “ Up hold” the law does not mean justification by it.
 

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you should only keep the law out of love for God, not justification. Not sure how that is confusing to you. just because I up hold the law does not mean someone is justified by it. “ Up hold” the law does not mean justification by it.
I think your just adding ' love ' to the teaching to soften the edges. The law is not the motivation for a person with the Holy Spirit .
 

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I think your just adding ' love ' to the teaching to soften the edges. The law is not the motivation for a person with the Holy Spirit .
Did not say it was motivation. The law points to what love is I.e character of God. The first four Commandments deal with how to love God the other 6 show us how to love men.
 

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Did not say it was motivation. The law points to what love is I.e character of God. The first four Commandments deal with how to love God the other 6 show us how to love men.
The Law was added so that sin would become more increasingly sinful . It was to show us our inability .

Hebrews 7:19

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19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God
 

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Did not say it was motivation. The law points to what love is I.e character of God. The first four Commandments deal with how to love God the other 6 show us how to love men.
My fear is that you don't understand grace perhaps. ?
John 1.17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 

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The Law was added so that sin would become more increasingly sinful . It was to show us our inability .

Hebrews 7:19

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19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God
Rom 3:20 the law is the knowledge of sin.
 

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The church today says that the Sabbath was cancelled. As proof they tell of Mary’s discovery of the risen Christ on Sunday. It doesn’t make sense that the time of a discovery should change what God tells us He created on the seventh day, or that a time of discovering something establishes when it happened, but that is the way they think.

The Lord gave us a new covenant, one we are told makes the old covenant obsolete. The church tells us that God knew he make a mistake so he cancelled the old covenant. I guess they think that God is like them and they know they make mistakes so they say so does the Lord. As if the Lord was just another human.

The church goes on and on about the mistakes the Lord has made. They say the sacrificial system didn’t work at all for atonement of sin even though scripture tells us it did. When the blood of cattle was used to feed the Lord, like pagans fed idols and not as a symbol of Christ, God hated it so the church tells us it was a mistake of the Lord to establish it.

The church tells us OT scripture can be in error. OT scripture tells us that God guides us to praise and celebrate His plan of salvation for us with feasts for all generations. The church tells us that is an error, that the feasts are to be treated the same way cutting the foreskin is treated.

Scripture tells us to celebrate Christ with Passover, the church says God cancelled that. They made up a new way to do it and named it using pagan gods to inspire them to make up a name for this replacement.

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.
Even I remember that God created the sabbath for our benefit.
How about this? Who cares what people say if they deny the sabbath? So what? Who do you follow? Opinions of others? Or God?

You don't live by a collective consensus do you? Everyone has to be on the same page or we're in trouble?
 

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Rom 3:20 the law is the knowledge of sin.
Yes if you want to deny that your a sinner and claim your righteous apart from God then look at the law . It will slay you .
 

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The Law was added so that sin would become more increasingly sinful . It was to show us our inability .

Hebrews 7:19

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19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God
Yes if you want to deny that your a sinner and claim your righteous apart from God then look at the law . It will slay you .
If we know “the knowledge of sin” is the commandments of God then do we just throw out the knowledge of sin because of grace?
 

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The church today says that the Sabbath was cancelled. As proof they tell of Mary’s discovery of the risen Christ on Sunday. It doesn’t make sense that the time of a discovery should change what God tells us He created on the seventh day, or that a time of discovering something establishes when it happened, but that is the way they think.

The Lord gave us a new covenant, one we are told makes the old covenant obsolete. The church tells us that God knew he make a mistake so he cancelled the old covenant. I guess they think that God is like them and they know they make mistakes so they say so does the Lord. As if the Lord was just another human.

The church goes on and on about the mistakes the Lord has made. They say the sacrificial system didn’t work at all for atonement of sin even though scripture tells us it did. When the blood of cattle was used to feed the Lord, like pagans fed idols and not as a symbol of Christ, God hated it so the church tells us it was a mistake of the Lord to establish it.

The church tells us OT scripture can be in error. OT scripture tells us that God guides us to praise and celebrate His plan of salvation for us with feasts for all generations. The church tells us that is an error, that the feasts are to be treated the same way cutting the foreskin is treated.

Scripture tells us to celebrate Christ with Passover, the church says God cancelled that. They made up a new way to do it and named it using pagan gods to inspire them to make up a name for this replacement.

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.
“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32-33, 35-36‬ ‭

is this abolished ? Or is it Christian doctrine ?

And is this what the law teaches ?

“And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2:23-24, 27-28‬ ‭

gathering food was work forbidden. In the law such as when the manna came they were two gather two portions on the sixth day and none on the sabbath .

yet Jesus disciples are harvesting food on the sabbath the Pharisees recognized this from the law and began accusing as thier intent always was to accuse Jesus and his disciples according to
Moses law.

I think of people compared what Jesus taught and what Moses taught there’s no
Mistaking the fact that the covenants are separate and contrary. For different purposes all together.

the law blinds us to the gospel because we see the law first and can’t see the end of it that it was always going to be abolished when Christ died and rose up .

should people work everyday ? No the sabbath is for our benefit for rest , is God going to condemn anyone for which day they think the sabbath is ? Or what day they attend church ? Is he going to exclude them from salvation because they don’t consider one day more holy than another ?

In Christ it matters what the individual believes

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4-10‬ ‭

if I’m convinced the sabbath is very important and must be honored then I must honor the sabbath because my faith says it . If I don’t believe that and consider every day the same then that’s my faith and what I must walk in.

there are some who combine the two covenants but they are separate they have different mediators , different words , different blood of atonement , different priests and peoples . One can hold us guilty to all Our sins and one can forgive us our sins and teach us the ways of God in truth.

everyday is a sabbath in Christ spiritually the rest for the soul he gives to those weary and burdened who come to him in faith .

we argue about a lot of details but God is looking at our hearts thoughts and intents and our actions in this world toward other people. If someone were to have a job working every sabbath day but they walked in the light of Christ in brotherly love believing the gospel it’s the latter that matters in Christ
 

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If we know “the knowledge of sin” is the commandments of God then do we just throw out the knowledge of sin because of grace?
The knowledge of sin is not the commandments . By the law we know what's sinful .
 

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The knowledge of sin is not the commandments . .
Romans 13:8–9 (AV): Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Where do you find these laws?
 

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Romans 13:8–9 (AV): Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Where do you find these laws?
Let's cut to the chase . Do you believe we need to do something to be saved ( if so what) or stay saved ?

How is a person saved ?