Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

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throughfaith

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Give us an example of how you would present the Gospel to someone today who would ask you "what must I do to be saved" And be honest, because I know you would tell them more than one short sentence and then walk away and leave them to figure out what you said so don't do that with your reply. Give a complete answer as if I was unchurched and wanted to know what to do.
Acts 16.30 is in keeping with Paul's epistles on salvation . That we are saved by Faith . Acts 2 is not saying the same thing .
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31¶And they said, BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
 

ForestGreenCook

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If we, as believers of Jesus-Yeshua, are to rule with God, we are Israel, for that is what Israel translates as.

How do people judge interpretations when they do not interpret for themselves? I do know the much of the Word has key words not fully translated in context with their true meaning. This lends to many who think they know to teach in error.

In ephesians it is mentioned that we are adopted into Issrael to rule with God.........read it all.
There is also a difference in the nation of Israel, and Jacob, as Israel, which includes every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. All Israel, is not of Israel.
 

throughfaith

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No, we must rightly divide to make all scriptures to harmonize, with no contradictions.
That doesn't work . God is not static in his dealings with people . Israel was to be first . Israel is not the church .
 

ForestGreenCook

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The idea of repentance is for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets.

But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King.

But of course they did not, so God blinded them temporary.

Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary. We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.
I think you have the right idea. Repentance is restricted to the regenerated children of God. The natural man will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness.
 

throughfaith

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There is also a difference in the nation of Israel, and Jacob, as Israel, which includes every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. All Israel, is not of Israel.
When it says " All Israel are not Israel Paul is telling ethnic Israel something . He is telling them that God has the right to choose whomever he wills to be among his covenant people. But he is not telling them this because God has chosen not to elect most of them. He’s telling them this because the paradigm for inclusion in the covenant people has shifted, from national Israel following the Law to anyone who comes to faith in Christ. Israel feels betrayed by this paradigm shift, so Paul explains that God has no obligation to the physical descendants of Abraham; rather, Paul demonstrates from the Old Testament that his relationship to Israel has always depended upon repentance.
 

throughfaith

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No repentance means to quit sinning and live righteously according to the revelation God has given.
You think Peter ,after specifically labouring on one central point here :

22¶Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29¶Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34¶For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36¶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Well law observing jews you need to stop shop lifting , your fornication, adultery, Blasphemy ect . Ignore this long irrelevant speech about murdering your deliverer . You need to quit sinning and live righteously " . lol 😆

No mention of faith, believing ect .
 

throughfaith

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No, we must rightly divide to make all scriptures to harmonize, with no contradictions.
This depends on what you have decided that the whole Bible needs to harmonise on . For the Catholics its Peter and " on this Rock " .
For SDA its the sabbath and the law
For Jehovah witnesses its the two groups the Earthly class and the 144.000 .
For Calvinists its John 6 and them being the ' elect ' .
 

throughfaith

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Peter preached the Gospel to the Jew first. Acts 2. Then he preached the Gospel to the gentiles at Cornelius house. The message did not change.

Of course we can apply the message of Acts 2 to the Gentiles because that same message was delivered to the Gentiles in the order as planned.

Paul understood it.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There were not two Gospels, one to the Jew and a different message to the Gentile.

I am not sure what foundation you are attempting to lay to make a point but it is not very effective since everyone is disagreeing with your initial point. Maybe you should just lay out your entire thesis and we might be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.
Who is writing Romans and
When is Paul writing Romans ? its after he's been given the revelation and the mysteries .
 

throughfaith

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Peter preached the Gospel to the Jew first. Acts 2. Then he preached the Gospel to the gentiles at Cornelius house. The message did not change.

Of course we can apply the message of Acts 2 to the Gentiles because that same message was delivered to the Gentiles in the order as planned.

Paul understood it.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There were not two Gospels, one to the Jew and a different message to the Gentile.

I am not sure what foundation you are attempting to lay to make a point but it is not very effective since everyone is disagreeing with your initial point. Maybe you should just lay out your entire thesis and we might be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.
Peter mentions nothing about Faith and Jesus dying for their sins in Acts 2
 

throughfaith

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Peter preached the Gospel to the Jew first. Acts 2. Then he preached the Gospel to the gentiles at Cornelius house. The message did not change.

Of course we can apply the message of Acts 2 to the Gentiles because that same message was delivered to the Gentiles in the order as planned.

Paul understood it.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There were not two Gospels, one to the Jew and a different message to the Gentile.

I am not sure what foundation you are attempting to lay to make a point but it is not very effective since everyone is disagreeing with your initial point. Maybe you should just lay out your entire thesis and we might be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.
When you say Peter preached to the Jew first in Acts 2 and then to the gentiles with Cornelius, you do realise that's 10 years later . Your borrowing from Pauls message about " to the jew first then the gentile " .Peter knows nothing of this ( remember when Paul is saved ) until Cornelius. Then we start to see the message as we see described in Rom 10.9 and explained in 1 cor 15 . 1-4 . Prior to this Israel is the focus.
 

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Be honest with others when replying to their posts.
You say here, gets what? To me you have repeatedly told me I am either off subject or you do not get what I have posted.3

I do believe as I did months ago when your first began your feigned replies to me and some others that you are playing dumb.
 

throughfaith

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Be honest with others when replying to their posts.
You say here, gets what? To me you have repeatedly told me I am either off subject or you do not get what I have posted.3

I do believe as I did months ago when your first began your feigned replies to me and some others that you are playing dumb.
No not all . Its really difficult on here at times as we all assume we are making ourselves clear ,when we are not . This is not the easiest format at times. Some respond out of sync .
 

throughfaith

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Everyone gets it. It is one of the simpler truths in the bible.
If everone gets it ,then why the debate ? I understand if you mean " majority opinion " . Most Christians only feel that something can be true if the majority hold to it. Invariably the opposite is true . The bible makes this point clear many times .
 

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Clearly the experiences associated with the Samaritans, (Acts 8:12-17) Gentiles, (Acts 10:44-48, 11:13-14) Ephesians, (Acts 19:1-6) indicate they were given the same instructions as Peter first gave the Jews in Acts 2:38.
Yet the instructions are different in all 29 conversion accounts in Acts .
 

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Peter preached the Gospel to the Jew first. Acts 2. Then he preached the Gospel to the gentiles at Cornelius house. The message did not change.

Of course we can apply the message of Acts 2 to the Gentiles because that same message was delivered to the Gentiles in the order as planned.

Paul understood it.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

There were not two Gospels, one to the Jew and a different message to the Gentile.

I am not sure what foundation you are attempting to lay to make a point but it is not very effective since everyone is disagreeing with your initial point. Maybe you should just lay out your entire thesis and we might be able to understand what you are trying to communicate.
There is no good news to the gentile until Paul .
 

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Thats a bit flimsy . I'm sure you don't do that with other verses ?
2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
 

throughfaith

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Can we agree that there is no message to the gentiles until Cornelius . 10 years after Acts 2 . That the good news is brought to Israel first. ?
 

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Yet the instructions are different in all 29 conversion accounts in Acts .
Not true. The gospel message is outlined with all specifics relevant to one's rebirth experience in the scripture references I shared. (Acts 2, 8:12-17;10:44-48, 11:13-14, 19:1-6) Other scriptures target individual aspects associated with the converstion/rebirth such as; belief, repentance, baptism, etc.
 
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Can we agree that there is no message to the gentiles until Cornelius . 10 years after Acts 2 . That the good news is brought to Israel first. ?
Not exactly in the way you are suggesting. The invitation was to be given to the Jew first because of the prophesies needing to be fulfilled but even a Samaritan, a Roman, or a Greek could step up by faith and receive it and Jesus was well pleased and made a point of telling everyone to notice it.

Do your remember those several examples? They were repeated because it is a very important theological message about the offer being to all those who would have faith not just Jews.

And remember the woman who asked for the crumbs from the table and how she received by faith going around the rules of the Jew first idea? So there are exceptions because it is not a hard fast rule. The Gospel has always been extended to all nations from the very beginning even if those who were dull of understanding did not grasp it.

You never really explained how you present the Gospel to people today so I still don't understand what is different in your message than what Peter preached.