Who will Win

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lenna

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Yes I am very aware, I know the politics and the economics
I know all about the deep state, pizza gate etc., etc.,

My view .. opposite sides of the same coin... Dems and Republicans

You want to save America............... become a non partisan, Trump is no different and no better, but he did know how to garner the support of the Evangelical right.

Time for the USA to develop a third party option.

actually, I was far more impressed with the Blacks and the Latinos having enough confidence to vote for him

the Evangelical right? ha. I put no faith in that group some of which voted for Jesus because they think it is proof of the salvation or something

well I don't think you do know ALL about the deep state and neither do I.

however God does and it is worse than we can put into words

I don't think there is any saving America. it is only a matter of time and I would like more of it

that probably holds true for the entire world I would think
 
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I understand your reasoning, the only thing I would add is the USA needs a grass roots movement to develop a strong third party option, however the society if so fractured right not it will not happen, as well, the two parties are far too powerful and backed by big money on both sides.

I am thinking a constant state of unrest will continue.
In political science there are those that theorize that war is the only way to rebuild and start fresh, I hope that is not true and there are other avenues.

this I can agree with

I see this country going forward as permanently changed as after 9/11

we saw that this summer. wrong is right and right is wrong

I am inclined towards being a Libertarian myself but I don't think that is doable down here. as it is, I do not intend to become an American citizen. perhaps I am just too Canadian ;)
 
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:D Trump tweets big press conference at the Four Seasons in Philadelphia . ..

somebody goofed, turned out to be the Four Seasons Total Landscaping,

I guess it is hard to get things organized during a game of golf....

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Roughsoul1991

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https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/0...ty-tallied-6000-republican-votes-as-democrat/

This was a software glitch, that is not fraud.
Also, how many votes would need to be fraudulent to change the course of this election, a lot more than this.

"election officials expelling Republican poll challengers from counting rooms, illegally filling out ballots, and in Detroit, and covering up windows into counting rooms to prevent legal peering and observation"

Both sides were limited because there were too many and when brought to court it was dismissed.
In my list of problems, fraud was only one element.
 

soggykitten

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Right, the people are, period.
To a point. We are as far as casting our ballot. The electoral college determines the winner and then Congress has to concur. Thank God Republicans were in majority in the Senate before this election. And we're in majority in SCOTUS as well.

People don't realize after more than 40 years in the Senate all there on both sides of the aisle know Joe.
The real Biden. The one we don't see.
 

Roughsoul1991

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you have to deliberately CHOOSE to look the other way if you insist there is not fraud...and widespread at that

Canadian news is not carrying these stories. we have liberals all over the place in the media up there too

gotta keep the Canucks blind to the fact that they are being snookered. we know some folks who travel down here for business

their eyes are opened
Yah the media is just as much a virus. It has caused more deaths than covid ever could with the rhetoric used over the century. Also lack of news on issues that are truly killing people.
 

soggykitten

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What I'm seeing from the press conference right now (Giuliani speaking) is that there are a lot of anecdotes from people seeing weird stuff here and there, but nothing major that can change the winner in the state. They will have to find something major like big computer glitches.
Georgia election official: Machine glitch caused by last-minute vendor upload
Voting was delayed in two counties for two hours while the problem was fixed.

(Michigan)
Antrim vote glitch: Expert shares how county mistakenly

(Florida)
Lake County voters encounter computer glitch on Election Day

Dominion Voting Systems: The company at the center of Michigan and Georgia voting ‘glitches’
It sounds like fodder for conspiracy theorists, but thus far everything we've seen about Dominion Voting Systems seems to be worth attention.
by Michio Hasai November 6, 2020



Kamala’s Shocking China Connections Exposed

Kamala’s husband has strong ties with China.
When Obama FBI Director James Comey investigated the Clinton email scandal and the Clinton Foundation, he recommended no prosecution by the Department of Justice.

Harris’ spouse is also a primary partner of the law firm that audited the Clinton Foundation. One of the executives of the firm in charge of the audit was Peter Comey–the brother of James Comey.
 
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Yah the media is just as much a virus. It has caused more deaths than covid ever could with the rhetoric used over the century. Also lack of news on issues that are truly killing people.
And do you have proof of this assertion?
 
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EleventhHour

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Yes and there is definitely enough to investigate.
Sure let them, partisans will not believe the results if it not in Trumps favour./

Perhaps they investigate that super computer "Hammer" that hacked into the system and changed all the votes too.
 

17Bees

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so you see my friend, for me it essentially comes down to getting a sticker without compromising my morality.

Good grief, if you're looking for a sense of morality in your vote, I don't think anybody could vote. I really think voting is a responsibility or maybe better said, an obligation. I take advantae of too many things in the US that we're all taking advantage of. Paved roads and public trash removal and civil and foreign protections - there's a ton of services that I as a lowly citizen pay a very modest price for, knowing my entire tax revenue probably buys maybe a set of tires for an F16. The least I can do is vote. But largely, my obligation to vote has other significance for me.

As far as leadership goes, God sometimes draws with crooked lines. Take Abram for instance. Here's a guy who lied to a King Abimelech to save his own hide while subjecting his own wife to sexual abuse. He slaughted his enemies and copulated with a woman who wasn't his wife and later kicked her and the child he bore out of his house. Yet God Himself called him Friend of God. How about David who desired a woman and murdered her husband so he could have her. Or Moses, a murderer who ran away from people who could convict him. Noah? A drunk and Paul, a persecutor of Christ our Savior.

Abraham - the father of the Israel, David, constitutor of 1 and 2 Samuel and Psalms and father of Soloman, Moses who freed the Israelites and formed the nations from all the tribes.Noah and his ark and Paul the descdriptor of Christian theology. God chooses imperfect men who do perfect things.

For those reasons I vote platforms (when I can find them) and those things most closely associated with Judeo/Chistian ideals - again, when I can find them.
 
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There is no fraud - the rust belt states have just returned to Blue - trump taking the 3 states was a one off anomaly. There are many ideas on why trump managed to turn them marginally red but this one seems to have the right idea:

"But perhaps the most painful data point for Clinton is this: the Democratic nominee for president never made a single campaign stop during the general election, and largely neglected Pennsylvania and Michigan, too, while Trump canvassed all three states relentlessly. His furious, last-minute blitz throughout the Rust Belt to win white, working-class voters, combined with the lack of resources Clinton invested, essentially handed their combined 46 electoral votes to Trump. Instead, Clinton spent the last few weeks of her campaign expending resources in places like Arizona and Texas—states which went for Trump by huge margins."

Get a grip folks.
 

Roughsoul1991

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And do you have proof of this assertion?
When our media has fueled the flames of war going back to Veitnam as the bias either fueled death on the home front or the need for death abroad. Race wars, fear, and mental health through the selling of the motto of if it bleeds, it leads.
 

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Sure let them, partisans will not believe the results if it not in Trumps favour./

Perhaps they investigate that super computer "Hammer" that hacked into the system and changed all the votes too.
Come Monday it be alright, come monday.....

Optimistic in view. But it isn't over. They have until December 8th.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Also lack of news on issues that are truly killing people.
What if they aired more news about the deaths in Chicago or inner city failures than things like the small percent of police brutality or how Trump said something unkind to a news anchor?

I wonder if Chicago or inner cities would get more attention?
 
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Come Monday it be alright, come monday.....

Optimistic in view. But it isn't over. They have until December 8th.
And can they replace Trump with a leader who behaves like a leader, lays down his huge ego, stops exaggerating and listens to his advisors?
Might as well go all out...:)
 
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Johnjo

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It’s good to see that the FSB-driven propaganda didn't fool people this time into voting for Donald Trump.
 

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Trump or Biden? Surely it has to be Trump. If it isn't we are in trouble. If it is we are still in trouble. Brace yourself - 2021 will be interesting.

Donald J. Trump.
 
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What if they aired more news about the deaths in Chicago or inner city failures than things like the small percent of police brutality or how Trump said something unkind to a news anchor?

I wonder if Chicago or inner cities would get more attention?
basically ignored throughout the summer months

actually, the riots were the superspreaders if there is such a thing
 
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lenna

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And can they replace Trump with a leader who behaves like a leader, lays down his huge ego, stops exaggerating and listens to his advisors?
Might as well go all out...:)
you know, when you just have this anti Trump sentiment that you appear to exhibit, all of a sudden Trump is not a leader

he becomes an idiot and fodder for memes and cartoons

all politicians have an ego. they would not run for office if they thought they were not that special person that can finally 'fix things'

thing is, Trump has actually pulled this country way ahead of where it was, in spite of the relentless false accusations from the left in this country

sounds like you are actually looking for empty words and promises and polite posturing, such as Trudeau offers or a Clinton type...in other words a POLITICIAN and not a person who was voted in because he was not a politician

huge ego....that's pretty funny considering this was Mr Joe's third run. no ego there of course :rolleyes:
 
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