Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

[laymen]

Amen .Then Jesus came and went to the cross and rose again according to the Scriptures.

so you agree with the first part of the verse but not the second?

 

[throughfaith]

I believe is clear in Acts 2 .38 that its one thing theses jews and proselytes need to repent of and that is Jesus . They need to re consider who he is change their minds about him being a criminal needing to die and to see him as their messiah. 16 + verses prove this to be the case leading up to and after verse 38 .
Notice in verse 37
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart , and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do ?
Notice ' their heart ' not hearts . This is a shared repentance. And notice that its " What shall we do ?" Again this is a corporate response to what must they DO now they killed their messiah. What can they DO now there Deliver is no risen, ascended and now seated at the right hand of the Father .
This is not a message like we see in Rom 9,10 or in any other place in Paul's epistles on how we receive eternal life . The Gospel is believe the death , burial and resurrection for our sins according to the Scriptures. We are to believe from the heart that Jesus has died for our sins, through faith..Not Acts 2.38 .

 

[Blade]

so why where all those people there? What was happening and again why were ALL those people there. Just Jews was it? What was written then is just as true today. Gods words have not time stamp on them.

One could stand today in a crowd and say "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

And you would witness people repenting and baptized and filled with the holy Spirit.. wait.. does happen.. and have seen it. PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS

 

[throughfaith]

so you agree with the first part of the verse but not the second?

I agree with what Jesus accomplished with his death , burial and resurrection which had not happened in the Old Testament of course . Everything is building up to Jesus coming and dying for the sins of the world . We look back and see the types and shadows that were to be fulfilled by Jesus .

 

[throughfaith]

so why where all those people there? What was happening and again why were ALL those people there. Just Jews was it? What was written then is just as true today. Gods words have not time stamp on them.

One could stand today in a crowd and say "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

And you would witness people repenting and baptized and filled with the holy Spirit.. wait.. does happen.. and have seen it. PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS

They were there because it was the day of Pentecost. Who else would be there on a Jewish feast day ?

 

[laymen]

I believe is clear in Acts 2 .38 that its one thing theses jews and proselytes need to repent of and that is Jesus . They need to re consider who he is change their minds about him being a criminal needing to die and to see him as their messiah. 16 + verses prove this to be the case leading up to and after verse 38 .
Notice in verse 37
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart , and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do ?
Notice ' their heart ' not hearts . This is a shared repentance. And notice that its " What shall we do ?" Again this is a corporate response to what must they DO now they killed their messiah. What can they DO now there Deliver is no risen, ascended and now seated at the right hand of the Father .
This is not a message like we see in Rom 9,10 or in any other place in Paul's epistles on how we receive eternal life . The Gospel is believe the death , burial and resurrection for our sins according to the Scriptures. We are to believe from the heart that Jesus has died for our sins, through faith..Not Acts 2.38 .

Philippians 2:12 (AV): Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Are theses people saved or being saved?

 

[Scribe]

It works both ways . I've been around enough Christians who have stumbled , ministries lost , marriages lost ect inspite of their belief in loss of salvation. In fact some of the most steadfast Christians are those that hold to eternal security and understand grace .
Titus 2
11¶For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

The problem s that come with lack of assurance and fear that you have already messed up is self evident.

Some of the biggest falls in public ministry have been those that held to loss of salvation .

I do not know the official stats on how many pastors or public ministers have fallen into moral failure and lost their minisitry or credibility and were fired or asked to step down from the pulpit who were believers in OSAS and how many believed that one can apostacize and not go to heaven unless they repent, but I doubt that you have those stats either.

People loose their public platform when they are exposed for practicing serious sins and trying to hide them. Whether they believe in OSAS or not they still loose their ministry because no one wants to listen to a preacher who is fornicating. You know that it happens to people who hold to both OSAS and those who dont.

 

[Scribe]

I thought we were saved by faith . Then we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption?

Not if you keep fornicating. You will go to hell if you keep fornicating. Or if you remain a drunkard. Don't be deceived.

 

[throughfaith]

Philippians 2:12 (AV): Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Are theses people saved or being saved?

Work out ..not ' work for ' . Paul is telling them that there not failing by the persecution they are under . Paul is encouraging them that even in Jail the Gospel is going out . He's telling them to work out , keep on , press on . Work out what God is working in . This is an encouraging verse not a threat .

 

[throughfaith]

I do not know the official stats on how many pastors or public ministers have fallen into moral failure and lost their minisitry or credibility and were fired or asked to step down from the pulpit who were believers in OSAS and how many believed that one can apostacize and not go to heaven unless they repent, but I doubt that you have those stats either.

People loose their public platform when they are exposed for practicing serious sins and trying to hide them. Whether they believe in OSAS or not they still loose their ministry because no one wants to listen to a preacher who is fornicating. You know that it happens to people who hold to both OSAS and those who dont.

There are countless believers every week getting re dedicated, re baptised, re committed, re wired over and over because they think they have lost it . Get it back, lose it again. Whole denominations are built on this yoyo theology . How else are you going to keep the collection coming in . You need the fear and the control.

 

[throughfaith]

Not if you keep fornicating. You will go to hell if you keep fornicating. Or if you remain a drunkard. Don't be deceived.

Then your not sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption then. Eph 1.12-13 . Eph 4 30 . Your depending on you to save your self .

 

[Ahwatukee]

22¶Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:.

We can see here that Peter is addressing Jews ( Israel) .

Hello throughfaith!

I don't know why you would claim that it is for the Jews only, when the scripture itself tells us who it is for:

"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

"all who are far off-for all whom the Lord will call."

Therefore, according to the scripture, it is addressed to all people.

 

[throughfaith]

I do not know the official stats on how many pastors or public ministers have fallen into moral failure and lost their minisitry or credibility and were fired or asked to step down from the pulpit who were believers in OSAS and how many believed that one can apostacize and not go to heaven unless they repent, but I doubt that you have those stats either.

People loose their public platform when they are exposed for practicing serious sins and trying to hide them. Whether they believe in OSAS or not they still loose their ministry because no one wants to listen to a preacher who is fornicating. You know that it happens to people who hold to both OSAS and those who dont.

Can I ask how and when you were sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption? When did you recieve Jesus ? And how ?

 

[laymen]

Work out ..not ' work for ' . Paul is telling them that there not failing by the persecution they are under . Paul is encouraging them that even in Jail the Gospel is going out . He's telling them to work out , keep on , press on . Work out what God is working in . This is an encouraging verse not a threat .

Work out. Gr. katergazomai ,used here in the sense of “to carry out to completion.”
Carry out your salvation to completion.

 

[throughfaith]

Hello throughfaith!

I don't know why you would claim that it is for the Jews only, when the scripture itself tells us who it is for:

"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

"all who are far off-for all whom the Lord will call."

Therefore, according to the scripture, it is addressed to all people.

Because it would be strange for Peter to preach something he did not know until Acts 10 / 11 with Cornelius. ( 10 years later no less ) Peter needed a vision from God to be shown that Gentiles were NOW granted repentance.

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
We d have to be out our minds to think Peter has Gentiles in mind in Acts 2 .

 

[throughfaith]

Work out. Gr. katergazomai ,used here in the sense of “to carry out to completion.”
Carry out your salvation to completion.

Then you believe in works salvation then ?

 

[laymen]

Then you believe in works salvation then ?

No but it sounds like you believe in keep on sinning salvation is it not? OSAS

 

[laymen]

Then you believe in works salvation then ?

James 2:18 (NKJV): But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

 

[throughfaith]

Hello throughfaith!

I don't know why you would claim that it is for the Jews only, when the scripture itself tells us who it is for:

"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

"all who are far off-for all whom the Lord will call."

Therefore, according to the scripture, it is addressed to all people.

39For the promise is unto you, ( Jews and proselytes and to your children , and to all that are afar off ( Those scattered and dispersed Jews ) , even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Jews .

 

[throughfaith]

James 2:18 (NKJV): But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

Are you one of the 12 tribes ?