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Journeyman

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I have a couple of questions. Which church do you attend? What teaching pastors do you recommend?
None anymore to both questions. I attended a nondenominational church where the pastor had a baptist background, but met a Jewish believer in Jesus who had no church affiliation. He had great lnowledge of the OT and explained the gospel in a way I'd never heard it before.
 

Blain

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None anymore to both questions. I attended a nondenominational church where the pastor had a baptist background, but met a Jewish believer in Jesus who had no church affiliation. He had great lnowledge of the OT and explained the gospel in a way I'd never heard it before.
Yeah I am the same but then again I just call myself Christian or a child of God even saying your denominational is a denomination in itself isn't it? unless of course I am mistaken but it kind of seems to counter itself there.
 

Journeyman

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there is nothing figurative about it, your twisting the word of God to fit your belief syste,

My intention? It’s fact not diction, they do

because they are being decieved by Satan, because he is not bound
There are Jews who aren't deceived anymore. But why aren't you deceived anymore?
 

Journeyman

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OK I see. You are also an annihilationist....Correct? So are many of the cults.
I asked God to show me the truth about the judgement of the unsaved. I didnt get the answer from any commentary. The scripture provide the correct understanding of what is meant by "torment forever and ever".
 

Journeyman

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Yeah I am the same but then again I just call myself Christian or a child of God even saying your denominational is a denomination in itself isn't it? unless of course I am mistaken but it kind of seems to counter itself there.
Im happy for you, because the gospel as Jesus taught it isn't being taught in mainstream churches today.
 

Blain

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Im happy for you, because the gospel as Jesus taught it isn't being taught in mainstream churches today.
Well luckily or perhaps not so lucky I never had anyone in my life or a church to actually go to so I figured who better than the best teacher there is?
And any church I did visit never felt like home to me so perhaps in a way I was blessed.
 

Truth7t7

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I believe when all scripture concerning the unsaved are examined, they suffer torment over having their sin exposed and then are annihilated.
Your belief appears to align with 7th Day Adventism, and the teachings of Ellen G. White, in the investigative judgement, and (Soul Sleep) annihilation, in denial of future (Eternal Torment)

Also Jehovahs Witnesses hold similar views?

Are you 7th Day Adventist, or Jehovahs Witness?
 

cv5

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I asked God to show me the truth about the judgement of the unsaved. I didnt get the answer from any commentary. The scripture provide the correct understanding of what is meant by "torment forever and ever".
I am glad I kept hammering away until I got the answers I was looking for. This happened pretty quickly for you for others it took literally weeks.

Annihilationism is an heresy of the cults.

Rev 20:7-10
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

Blain

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Your belief appears to align with 7th Day Adventism, and the teachings of Ellen G. White, in the investigative judgement, and (Soul Sleep) annihilation?

Also Jehovahs Witnesses hold similar views?

Are you 7th Day Adventist, or Jehovahs Witness?
Soul sleep? That is a new one to me do I even want to know what this is or is that dangerous waters to tread?
 

Truth7t7

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Soul sleep? That is a new one to me do I even want to know what this is or is that dangerous waters to tread?
7th day Adventist and Jehovahs Witnesses deny future torment upon death (Soul Sleep) they deny the teaching of the rich man (Hell) torment and Lazarus (Abraham's Bosom) comfort

There are many that believe in (Annihilation) also a false teaching that the soul cease to exist, no eternal torment.

Is torment in Hell upon death, and the Lake of Fire in the final judgement in eternal torment taught in the Holy Scripture?

100% Yes
 

cv5

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Soul sleep? That is a new one to me do I even want to know what this is or is that dangerous waters to tread?
Don't waste your time with it. It's yet another heresy.
 

Truth7t7

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I asked God to show me the truth about the judgement of the unsaved. I didnt get the answer from any commentary. The scripture provide the correct understanding of what is meant by "torment forever and ever".
I disagree with your belief in annihilation, as eternal torment in the fire for the wicked, is taught throughout the scripture,

As many have stated, this is in agreement with the cults and I agree.
 

Blain

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7th day Adventist and Jehovahs Witnesses deny future torment upon death (Soul Sleep) they deny the teaching of the rich man (Hell) torment and Lazarus (Abraham's Bosom) comfort

There are many that believe in (Annihilation) also a false teaching that the soul cease to exist, no eternal torment.

Is torment in Hell upon death, and the Lake of Fire in the final judgement in eternal torment taught in the Holy Scripture?

100% Yes
Oh I see. As much as I wish that could be true I have been to hell and saw with my own eyes the lake of fire sadly eternal torment is unmistakenably true. Although there was only one person I saw there that I truly felt pity for even to this day I always beg father to have mercy on this man even though I have no idea if even the prayers of someone like me can let a soul in hell finally have rest
 

Journeyman

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satan Is not bound my friend, if you think he is your decieved
I understand you believe everybody in the nation you live in and all others are deceived until satan is bound in the future. So why aren't you deceived anymore?
 

Journeyman

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Well luckily or perhaps not so lucky I never had anyone in my life or a church to actually go to so I figured who better than the best teacher there is?
And any church I did visit never felt like home to me so perhaps in a way I was blessed.
I tried speaking to my pastor about Jesus's teachings as they were explained to me by the Jewish man who taightme, but he didn't want to hear it. It's very difficult to see the truth after being indoctrinated with things that arent true. I had to leaveafter that. The Jewish guy was disowned by his family too. Very sad.
 

Journeyman

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Your belief appears to align with 7th Day Adventism, and the teachings of Ellen G. White, in the investigative judgement, and (Soul Sleep) annihilation, in denial of future (Eternal Torment)

Also Jehovahs Witnesses hold similar views?

Are you 7th Day Adventist, or Jehovahs Witness?
Ive never heard of Ellen g White and dont belong to the organizations you mentioned.

The wicked have an end. They dont exist eternally.
 

Journeyman

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I am glad I kept hammering away until I got the answers I was looking for. This happened pretty quickly for you for others it took literally weeks.

Annihilationism is an heresy of the cults.

Rev 20:7-10
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
While youre hammering, research the term "forever".