In Luke the term isn’t limited to Jews only. So, I still believe the Apostles knew that the Gentiles would receive the promise. If they didn’t then their minds were not opened to understand as Luke 24 says. That doesn’t mean that there wasn’t an order to things and it wasn’t yet time to take the gospel to the Gentiles.
Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles
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Their minds were open to understand the things the bible actually says here .
25¶Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
25¶Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
I think its encouraging for us to see that the Apostles suffered from a lot of the same issues that we have today. The verse I was referring to was Luke 24:45 where it says:
“Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,”
Luke 24:45 NASB1995
https://www.bible.com/100/luk.24.45.nasb1995
“Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,”
Luke 24:45 NASB1995
https://www.bible.com/100/luk.24.45.nasb1995
So then are you saying the Apostles forgot and then 10 years of preaching to no gentiles ,then Peter needs a radical vision given to him and a gentile brought to him to jog his mind?
Are they acting in rebellion here ?
19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
Acts 11
Are they acting in rebellion here ?
19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
Acts 11
I'm a gentile so I cannot be accused of over doing the ' Jewish ' focus . I don't benefit from the view I hold to on Acts 2 . But I'm constraint by what the text says . But its great news . As the Gospel is far simpler than we could make up . Its ' believe ' . Its believing the Gospel as presented in Paul's epistles. 1 cor 15 .1-4 / Rom 10 .9
Its a simple believing the Gospel of grace .
Its a simple believing the Gospel of grace .
I agree. You can see the same message in Luke 24:47.
“Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:44-48 NASB1995
https://www.bible.com/100/luk.24.44-48.nasb1995
repentance for the forgiveness of sins = metanoian eis aphesin hamartion = A change of mind into forgiveness of sins.
Notice also that Jesus said “A change of mind into forgiveness of sins“ is what should be proclaimed in his name (on his authority) to all the nations.
“Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:44-48 NASB1995
https://www.bible.com/100/luk.24.44-48.nasb1995
repentance for the forgiveness of sins = metanoian eis aphesin hamartion = A change of mind into forgiveness of sins.
Notice also that Jesus said “A change of mind into forgiveness of sins“ is what should be proclaimed in his name (on his authority) to all the nations.
47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48And ye are witnesses of these things.
49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Yes I see this exactly played out in the first few chapters of Acts .
And what do we see in Acts ? No gentiles until Acts 11 . This is my point .
48And ye are witnesses of these things.
49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Yes I see this exactly played out in the first few chapters of Acts .
And what do we see in Acts ? No gentiles until Acts 11 . This is my point .
Ok so far we have no scripture evidence that says the apostles were preaching to gentiles ( non Jews and proselytes) before Acts 11 . Nor that any of the Appostles understood the inclusion of the Gentiles until Acts 11 .
So its so far yet to be proven that Peter's message is to any other than Israel. ( Jews and proselytes) Also with no mention of ' faith ' eternal life , being saved in the sense of heaven or hell ect its clear to see this message is a message for Israel to accept their messaih to be delivered and ' saved ' from this crooked generation ' pointing to when Jereselum would be sieged and many , many Jews would be slaughtered. This is what Peter is addressing. Not the same message we see in Acts 16.30 where that is about eternal salvation. ( context makes clear )
Notice Peters focus is not on how we see salvation, meaning a spiritual salvation of our souls ect . But physical deliverance and a restoration of the kingdom to Israel .
look where the apostles minds are in Acts 1 .
4¶And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
So it makes no sense to make Acts 2 the pattern for how we are saved today . inspite of many denominations that base their core theology on Acts 2.38
So its so far yet to be proven that Peter's message is to any other than Israel. ( Jews and proselytes) Also with no mention of ' faith ' eternal life , being saved in the sense of heaven or hell ect its clear to see this message is a message for Israel to accept their messaih to be delivered and ' saved ' from this crooked generation ' pointing to when Jereselum would be sieged and many , many Jews would be slaughtered. This is what Peter is addressing. Not the same message we see in Acts 16.30 where that is about eternal salvation. ( context makes clear )
Notice Peters focus is not on how we see salvation, meaning a spiritual salvation of our souls ect . But physical deliverance and a restoration of the kingdom to Israel .
look where the apostles minds are in Acts 1 .
4¶And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
So it makes no sense to make Acts 2 the pattern for how we are saved today . inspite of many denominations that base their core theology on Acts 2.38
This incident only goes to show how out of touch the church in Jerusalem was with their Lord, Who gave the great commission to His Church BEFORE His Ascension to preach the Gospel to ALL, Jews and Gentiles alike, and who procrastinated in fulfilling it!
As far as the Lord was concerned: "There was neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Stop cherry picking Scriptures in order to support you wrong views!
As far as the Lord was concerned: "There was neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Stop cherry picking Scriptures in order to support you wrong views!
So you are basically saying that, after spending 40 days with the ascended Christ learning everything about the Kingdom program (Acts 1:3), the 11 still did not understand as much as you that:
- Israel would still reject Jesus Christ by killing Stephen Acts 7 and would have fallen.
- Paul would be revealed the new revelation that "There was neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.", even though the ascended Christ made no mention about these to them during those 40 days.
- Gentiles would now be accepted thru the fall of Israel.