Yes the true location of the Temple has been determined. The wailing wall is undoubtedly the fortress of Antonia.

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cv5 said:
So......since you think that Israel has been kicked to the curb, why would anyone bother with any prophecy about Israel whatsoever? Because according to you any and every prophecy about Israel is now null and void. Correct? Did I get that right?
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YOUR assessment of my view of Israel is off the mark. ....."kicked to the curb"..... what a crass way of putting your idea
 
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cv5 said:
Who is teaching you? What in the world have you been reading? Or not reading?

There are no Christians in the Millennium. NONE. There are only Israelites and Gentiles.

Christians have their beginning at Pentecost and ending at the Rapture. That's it and that's all.
There are no Christians on earth during the tribulation period.

There are gentiles that will be saved during the tribulation and they are not Christians. There are gentiles that will be saved during the millennium and they are not Christians. Jews are not Christians during the tribulation or the millennium.

The ONLY Jews that are Christians are those who received their Savior the Lord Jesus Christ during the church age. PERIOD. John the Baptist preached Christ and KNEW Christ and HE was not a Christian!!!!!!!!!
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There are now followers of Christ in the millennium?
 
GraceAndTruth said:
YOUR assessment of my view of Israel is off the mark. ....."kicked to the curb"..... what a crass way of putting your idea
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My former pastor was a deceiver. Always blowing up smokescreens. Always dodging a commitment to doctrine. Always trying to weasel out of any poignant questions that would betray his stupefying ignorance.

So what exactly is your doctrine pertaining to the future of ethnic Israel, the house of Jacob?

Here let me hazard a guess. There is no redemption of Israel they have to convert to Christianity end of story. Correct?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
There are now followers of Christ in the millennium?
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There are those who will receive Christ in the millennium. Might as well call them millennenium Saints for lack of a better term. Just like Old Testament Saints and tribulation Saints.

Christians are distinct and always will be.
 
GraceAndTruth said:
YOUR assessment of my view of Israel is off the mark. ....."kicked to the curb"..... what a crass way of putting your idea
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That's exactly what the amillennialist do. Likewise the preterists. Unceremoniously abandon the apple of God's eye the house of Jacob Israel, and then scrap the vast component of Scriptures pertaining to the fulfillment of their covenants into the trash can. I can think of nothing more contemptible and dangerous than that. Truly this beggars the imagination. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
 
cv5 said:
Who is teaching you? What in the world have you been reading? Or not reading?

There are no Christians in the Millennium. NONE. There are only Israelites and Gentiles.

Christians have their beginning at Pentecost and ending at the Rapture. That's it and that's all.
There are no Christians on earth during the tribulation period.

There are gentiles that will be saved during the tribulation and they are not Christians. There are gentiles that will be saved during the millennium and they are not Christians. Jews are not Christians during the tribulation or the millennium.

The ONLY Jews that are Christians are those who received their Savior the Lord Jesus Christ during the church age. PERIOD. John the Baptist preached Christ and KNEW Christ and HE was not a Christian!!!!!!!!!
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Ok this is getting beyond nit picky. What about the Jews and gentiles that became faithful in regards to the comming of the Messiah after Abraham, until Jesus was crucified and risen? Was/is not their faith counted as righteousness? Or is it a racial thing that you also believe as well?
 
calibob said:
Ok this is getting beyond nit picky. What about the Jews and gentiles that became faithful in regards to the comming of the Messiah after Abraham, until Jesus was crucified and risen? Was/is not their faith counted as righteousness? Or is it a racial thing that you also believe as well?
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Old testament Saints my friend. Abraham was not a Christian nor was Moses nor was David.
As far as Christianity is concerned race has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Furthermore in the Old Testament any gentile could attach himself to the God of Abraham and be saved this is very clear. Except for very few groups of people who were cursed by God and judged. They had no redemption only destruction.
 
cv5 said:
Old testament Saints my friend. Abraham was not a Christian nor was Moses nor was David.
As far as Christianity is concerned race has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
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They didn't need to be... Their faith was counted as righteousness. That's the stay out of hell free card. Circumcision of the flesh was replaced by that of the heart and baptism of the flesh and/or Holy Spirit. Biblical studies 101.

BTW; Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Saints. Saints [N] The word "saint" is derived from a Greek verb (hagiazo [aJgiavzw]) whose basic meaning is "to set apart, " "sanctify, " or "make holy.". In the history of the Old Testament religion, the idea of holiness or separateness was inherent in the concept of God.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
They are one and the same
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No the antichrist will be usurped by the beast. Linda like a demonic John the Baptist and false Messiah. One shall increase while the other will decrease.-The antichrist will be a politician and the beast will claim to be God. Some now think the Beast will have a Rothchild's connection.
 
cv5 said:
There are those who will receive Christ in the millennium. Might as well call them millennenium Saints for lack of a better term. Just like Old Testament Saints and tribulation Saints.

Christians are distinct and always will be.
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They will still be called christian

they will relieve everything we do, once they recieve the same gospel we have recieved
 
cv5 said:
That's exactly what the amillennialist do. Likewise the preterists. Unceremoniously abandon the apple of God's eye the house of Jacob Israel, and then scrap the vast component of Scriptures pertaining to the fulfillment of their covenants into the trash can. I can think of nothing more contemptible and dangerous than that. Truly this beggars the imagination. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
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and you can't live in the old covenant.....it is of none effect. READ HEBREWS
 
calibob said:
No the antichrist will be usurped by the beast. Linda like a demonic John the Baptist and false Messiah. One shall increase while the other will decrease.-The antichrist will be a politician and the beast will claim to be God. Some now think the Beast will have a Rothchild's connection.
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You may be thinking of the beast and false prophet, the beast will enter the temple and commit the abomination jesus spoke of.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
You may be thinking of the beast and false prophet, the beast will enter the temple and commit the abomination jesus spoke of.
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The “first beast” is the antichrist. Then, in Revelation 13:14 , we find a parallel reference to “the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.” This verse is interpreted most naturally as referring to a person... (co www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies)

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.

“And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them who dwell on it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”

Rev. 13:11-12
 
calibob said:
The “first beast” is the antichrist. Then, in Revelation 13:14 , we find a parallel reference to “the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.” This verse is interpreted most naturally as referring to a person... (co www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies)

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.

“And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them who dwell on it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”

Rev. 13:11-12
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Yes, this would be the false prophet, pointing to the first beast or antichrist,
 
cv5 said:
There are those who will receive Christ in the millennium. Might as well call them millennenium Saints for lack of a better term. Just like Old Testament Saints and tribulation Saints.

Christians are distinct and always will be.
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You are 7th day Adventist aren't you.
 
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