Been there buddy oops wrong thread momentIt dosn't. I got side tracked by false JW dogma is all.
Been there buddy oops wrong thread momentIt dosn't. I got side tracked by false JW dogma is all.
Are the angels the sons of God?
Genesis 6 (ESV)
I don't know. But scripture says Jesus is the only born Son of God, I think KJV says "only Son born of God."
One of the most difficult questions for me, is why did God even bothered creating his fallen son Lucifer, if he knew what destruction he would bring to his creation? But God created good and evil out of nothing, and foreknew when he created, there will be a fall brought about by Satan / Lucifer, and that he would have to send his beloved, first created, firstborn Son, Christ Yeshua to separate all God's sheep from the goats, and to recreate a new heaven and earth, for only his sheep devoid of any evil forever, and banish all evil to the bottomless pit of eternal damnation.
Wait a minute, Lucifer IS NOT a Son of God! That's snake eyes!
BenjaminN said:
Are the angels the sons of God?
Genesis 6 (ESV)
1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
calibob said:
I don't know. But scripture says Jesus is the only born Son of God, I think KJV says "only Son born of God."
I know the Calvinists are going to try and figure a way around what I just wrote, deny free will deny the right to chose or decide anything for ourselves but the truth is the truth. We are not robots we are flawed human beings. God loves anyways in spite of our flaws. as Paul said, "where sin abounds, Grace also abounds" "My Grace is sufficient for you." Because God is Love.
And do we not have a choice in the matter? Are we not allowed to choose the Lord?Oh yes, free will we have - but oh so predictable to God and foreknown by Him, we act perfectly accordingly to the way He endowed us respectively, in our created natures of either in Spirit or in flesh, as chosen or not chosen by Him, in his grace where He shows mercy to whom He desires.
Why don't we all just kill ourselves, skip the sorrows and drama and take the shortcut to our own destiny's?Oh yes, free will we have - but oh so predictable to God and foreknown by Him, we act perfectly accordingly to the way He endowed us respectively, in our created natures of either in Spirit or in flesh, as chosen or not chosen by Him, in his grace where He shows mercy to whom He desires.
And do we not have a choice in the matter? Are we not allowed to choose the Lord?
Why don't we all just kill ourselves, skip the sorrows and drama and take the shortcut to our own destiny's?
What that was about was\is, a response to Calvinism. or payer(
Exodus 20 (ESV)
13 "You shall not murder.
Deuteronomy 5 (ESV)
17 "'You shall not murder.
That destiny would not be a desired one. To act towards such a destiny boastfully, and not in weakness, and in free will, for an undesired destiny, does not make sense.
A lot of people might think they can take control of their own eternal destiny of bliss or damnation, and in some cases God's light is withheld.
Some people act from weakness. If the ones on which God's grace lies, are sinning in weakness, even to the point of self inflicted harm, their is forgiveness of sins, in their salvation. Your choices is your free will, it would not be recommended to one, to act, not in weakness, but in a boastful way, as if we have power over our destiny. God is almighty.
Job 38 (ESV)
15 From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken.
What that was about was\is, a response to Calvinism. or payer(
He holds to determinism. Some have been chosen for hell with no choice to believe the Gospel.And do we not have a choice in the matter? Are we not allowed to choose the Lord?
I don't mean to insult you. That sounds like: CALVANISIM!He holds to determinism. Some have been chosen for hell with no choice to believe the Gospel.
No I'm saying that's what HE believes.I don't mean to insult you. That sounds like: CALVANISIM!
Yeah I should have worded that better . I don't hold to that . apologies.He holds to determinism. Some have been chosen for hell with no choice to believe the Gospel.
Those whom Christ died for is limited to those that his Father gave him, and he said that he would not lose any of them,
Christ was a sacrifice that was offered to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.
The regenerated people are given a choice to follow God's commandments, but it is not to get eternal life.