God COMMANDS people everywhere - to repent

[throughfaith]

Google Assemblies of God near me and go visit. There is a very good chance you will hear it there. My pastor just preached on sin and repentance last week. It was all about how sin allowed to remain will eventually cost you more than you ever wanted to pay and make you stay in it longer than you intended to stay and it was a serious call to a devout and holy life.

Check out David Wilkerson Sermons on line. He passed in 2010 but his sermons are classics already. David did a lot of correcting the modern church but in the right spirit and he had the 60 years of ministry leadership in the American Charismatic churches world wide to know what he was talking about.
Check out Paul Washer, he is of the Baptist Denomination but preaching repentance and holiness in a powerful but balanced message. Through Paul Washer you can probably find more like him who are hearing the voice of God for the hour and calling the church to repentance.

I don't know who the public well known preachers are today I have not kept up with TV or celebrity preachers for decades.

I am focused on book study and those preachers where I actually attend meetings. It seemed like Paul Washer was thrust on me last year. Two brothers that I know and respect how live in different areas of the country contacted me about the same month and asked me several time to listen to Paul Washer. I normally don't listen to the preachers that people send me because I am too busy with books and don't want to listen to 45 minute sermons saying something they could have reduced to 3 minutes. But I felt like God might be behind the two brothers asking me to listen to Paul Washer. And I found his message very needful for the church today.

Paul Washer used to go to Leonard Ravenhall's Bible Study in his home in Lindale Texas in the 80s. I was aware of these studies and though I did not attend I lived near by and some of my close friends told me about them. No wonder Paul preaches as he does.
Leonard Ravenhill also influenced David Wilkerson to read the Puritans and David's ministry changed into a world shaking holiness prophet after his encounter with Leonard Ravenhill.

We need more preachers like David Wilkerson, Paul Washer, Leonard Ravenhill, Carter Conlon, ....I am sure that they are out there. God is raising up men and women of God who will preach the whole counsel of God.

Paul washer is a 5 point calvinist .
The AOG hold to a ' second blessing ' and initial evidence. I've been in both types of churches and they are teaching radically different things. David Wilkinson i used to follow ,along with derick Prince. Both David and Paul washer would not agree with each other and taught the opposite world views .

 

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I believe we can stop sinning if we walk with the understanding our Lord Jesus declared to us. Our faith in him enables us to stop sinning. if the will to sin is no longer in the heart, the mortal body will eventually be quickened by the Spirit. (Romans 8:11, 13). The motions of sin in the body will eventually disappear.

If this is the gospel you're preaching Then when you stand before God at the final judgement, how will you justify yourself if you failed to cease sinning?

 

[infinitekhanol]

If this is the gospel you're preaching Then when you stand before God at the final judgement, how will you justify yourself if you failed to cease sinning?

I am actually standing before God now and every time and I know my actions are judged now and every time and I know where i stand with my father. I do not have to wait until the final judgement.

 

[throughfaith]

I am actually standing before God now and every time and I know my actions are judged now and every time and I know where i stand with my father. I do not have to wait until the final judgement.

How do you know how you stand before God ?

 

[infinitekhanol]

How do you know how you stand before God ?

I do not want to say the Holy Spirit bears witness to it which is what it is. If one, as a son, is having a true close relationship with the Father, he will know his standing with the father. He may not know someone else's standing with the father except it is revealed to him. That is why we should not judge.

When we walk with him in sincerity of heart even in our ignorance, he walks with us all the way revealing himself unto us through the Holy Spirit which he has shed in our hearts. . I believe this.

Why bother about the final judgement. just bother about having the son - father relationship our Lord Jesus taught and showed us and the Holy Spirit continues to show us. Once we are one with him in love, and continue to be always, we will be in his good books at the final judgement.

 

[throughfaith]

I do not want to say the Holy Spirit bears witness to it which is what it is. If one, as a son, is having a true close relationship with the Father, he will know his standing with the father. He may not know someone else's standing with the father except it is revealed to him. That is why we should not judge.

When we walk with him in sincerity of heart even in our ignorance, he walks with us all the way revealing himself unto us through the Holy Spirit which he has shed in our hearts. . I believe this.

Why bother about the final judgement. just bother about having the son - father relationship our Lord Jesus taught and showed us and the Holy Spirit continues to show us. Once we are one with him in love, and continue to be always, we will be in his good books at the final judgement.

So you know so long as you keep your nose clean, do well , obey the commands ect you might make it at the big reveal at the end ?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

It saddens me that with everything going on around the world right now, that so called Evangelistic preachers are still pushing things that tickle the ears. I have not heard anyone (thinking mainstream well known) stand up recently and say to the church "REPENT!"

Ray Comfort

 

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I am actually standing before God now and every time and I know my actions are judged now and every time and I know where i stand with my father. I do not have to wait until the final judgement.

That's an attempted dodge..

Lets play this game..

So how do you stand before God today and justify your sinning since your gospel is declaring that you and other people can stop sinning?

 

[Scribe]

Paul washer is a 5 point calvinist .
The AOG hold to a ' second blessing ' and initial evidence. I've been in both types of churches and they are teaching radically different things. David Wilkinson i used to follow ,along with derick Prince. Both David and Paul washer would not agree with each other and taught the opposite world views .

I don't reject brothers who like what Calvin wrote. I find room for agreement on too many other areas to let areas of disagreement cause me to depart fellowship. AOG pastors cooperate with Calvinist and Baptist all the time in my circles and we simply avoid arguing or discussing those areas we disagree about and focus on those we do agree.

We don't radically preach different things when it comes to the foundational truth about salvation.
The baptists don't have to believe what the AOG does about the Baptism of the Holy Ghost to be saved, and the AOG do not have to stop believing their interpretation to be saved.

We have to give people room to differ in interpretation without assigning them to the "pit of hell" for doing so.

Eventually John Wesley backed off on his demonizing of George Whitefields Calvinist views because he realized George did not preach anything different than he did when it came to converting the lost. Those lofty arguments in seminary halls don't have a place on frontline evangelism and that is where most of us agree.

 

[Scribe]

Ray Comfort

I met him in the early 90s. Had lunch with him when his ministry had just started to take off. I was leading a street ministry and we talked about how to be effective with drama. We talked about using a coffin with a mirror at the head when you looked in. I never followed through with the idea. I was going to build a portable stage with Moses giving the Law and another one with the Cross and the Gospel and attempt to present the message of the Law before the Gospel on the streets but I never followed through with that idea either.

 

[throughfaith]

I don't reject brothers who like what Calvin wrote. I find room for agreement on too many other areas to let areas of disagreement cause me to depart fellowship. AOG pastors cooperate with Calvinist and Baptist all the time in my circles and we simply avoid arguing or discussing those areas we disagree about and focus on those we do agree.

We don't radically preach different things when it comes to the foundational truth about salvation.
The baptists don't have to believe what the AOG does about the Baptism of the Holy Ghost to be saved, and the AOG do not have to stop believing their interpretation to be saved.

We have to give people room to differ in interpretation without assigning them to the "pit of hell" for doing so.

Eventually John Wesley backed off on his demonizing of George Whitefields Calvinist views because he realized George did not preach anything different than he did when it came to converting the lost. Those lofty arguments in seminary halls don't have a place on frontline evangelism and that is where most of us agree.

it comes down to which worldview your ok with and how you let certain teachers lead you in a good or bad direction. It all effects the Gospel .

 

[Robo36]

And so one has to ask......repent of what? Are you doing something to repent of?
Repent is an action verb, so get to it and stop the nonsense.

Among those who are obsessed with repentance are 7th Day Adventists and other cults that deny the sufficiency of the propitiation.
Christians don't need to be reminded to repent, we have the Holy Spirit to convict us.

 

[Robo36]

Christians don't need to be reminded to repent, we have the Holy Spirit to convict us.

Christians are all without sin? Christians aren't tempted by Satan and his daemons and sin? Christians never fail to repent & never need reminding? Seventh Day Adventist are a cult? Can you define "cult?"

 

[Scribe]

it comes down to which worldview your ok with and how you let certain teachers lead you in a good or bad direction. It all effects the Gospel .

But we must be humble enough to know that we could be wrong about so many non essential interpretations. If we make them all essential we will end up thinking we are the only one in the world with enough "insight" to interpret correctly and everyone else is in the demonic stronghold of deception. When that happens we have deceived ourselves.

If a brother does a good job of presenting proper hermeneutics for an interpretation I will be glad that he shared it with me. I am not scared of sound hermeneutics that shed light on what I did not see before.

If he is flawed in his hermeneutics I hope to be able to recognize that also and show him which rule of interpretation he is violating and he also can be edified by me showing him sound heremeutics. No need to vilify one another. Most of us are all trying to figure out the best hermeneutic.

 

[throughfaith]

But we must be humble enough to know that we could be wrong about so many non essential interpretations. If we make them all essential we will end up thinking we are the only one in the world with enough "insight" to interpret correctly and everyone else is in the demonic stronghold of deception. When that happens we have deceived ourselves.

All 5 points of Calvinism are essential. Ask any Calvinist. Why do non calvinists only say its non essential ? Calvinists beg to differ .

 

[throughfaith]

I don't reject brothers who like what Calvin wrote. I find room for agreement on too many other areas to let areas of disagreement cause me to depart fellowship. AOG pastors cooperate with Calvinist and Baptist all the time in my circles and we simply avoid arguing or discussing those areas we disagree about and focus on those we do agree.

We don't radically preach different things when it comes to the foundational truth about salvation.
The baptists don't have to believe what the AOG does about the Baptism of the Holy Ghost to be saved, and the AOG do not have to stop believing their interpretation to be saved.

We have to give people room to differ in interpretation without assigning them to the "pit of hell" for doing so.

Eventually John Wesley backed off on his demonizing of George Whitefields Calvinist views because he realized George did not preach anything different than he did when it came to converting the lost. Those lofty arguments in seminary halls don't have a place on frontline evangelism and that is where most of us agree.

The debate between wesley and Whitfield Just like historically between Calvinism and Arminism , is / was an in house squabble. They are strange bed fellows on many areas of agreement. This is understandable given Jacob Arminius was a Calvinist . Just like Luther never fully left Rome , Jacob never fully left reformed theology .

 

[Scribe]

All 5 points of Calvinism are essential. Ask any Calvinist. Why do non calvinists only say its non essential ? Calvinists beg to differ .

I don't care if my brother adheres to these views. We can serve Christ together without it being a constant effort to convince one another of our views on these points. If someone can't talk about anything else but the same old tired arguments they will find themselves alone after awhile because no one will want to be around them. Too annoying. In that case they will have forced a separation upon themselves. But if people can be normal and not act wierd about their views they will find that they can serve Christ with brothers of both sides and get along just fine.

 

[stepbystep]

Isn't "not living in agreement with God" what sin is? And aren't we told that if we say we do not sin, we lie?

That is what I said in my comment. Did you not understand that? My point was addressing that people do not HAVE TO obey. They have a choice. However, they must LIVE with the choices they make, and what the result of those choices are.

 

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[Nehemiah6]

That is what I said in my comment. Did you not understand that? My point was addressing that people do not HAVE TO obey. They have a choice. However, they must LIVE with the choices they make, and what the result of those choices are.

Correct. When God created Man in own image, He intended human beings to make wise choices. He also made it crystal clear that bad choices had bad consequences. That did not change since creation.