"Times of Restitution of All Things"

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Nehemiah6

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There is no such teaching of Jesus coming back to earth, except to gather his elect, and he does not set foot on earth
You have a habit of contradicting Scripture with your own far-fetched ideas. The Second Coming of Christ to earth is one of the key doctrines of Scripture.
 
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The book of Zechariah references how displeased God was with Jerusalem, and gathered all nations to battle against Jerusalem, and utterly destroyed it. This is past history.

The verses in Acts has reference to Christ's second coming at the last day to collect his elect.
The scripture that Corban quoted was about the 2nd coming.
 

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why not read it IN CONTEXT and find out for yourself?
Who can know what ANYTHING means when it is presented OUT OF CONTEXT!!?
Could you explain it then, in it's proper context?
 

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The book of Zechariah references how displeased God was with Jerusalem, and gathered all nations to battle against Jerusalem, and utterly destroyed it. This is past history.
Are you certain about that??

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. (Zec 14:3-4)
 
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Yes. I am aware that the Bible hardly uses the word "Christian", but it is so widely used in Christianity that its meaning is clear. A better word is "Disciples" - those who have entered into the "Disciplines" of our Lord Jesus. Then I believe the next best word to use is "brethren". This implies the same Father, and immediately it excludes all imposters because it addresses only those born of God. "Believers" is next best but it is not exclusive to the Church because everybody believes something - even those in error. "Body of Christ" is a grand concept, but in general Christians don't have a full grasp of it. It is a mystery how all we individuals make up the corporate Body of Jesus, especially while He sits in heaven in a human body, and we're on earth. But it carries with it the deepest understanding of how SEPARATE the Church is. And then comes, "The Bride of Christ", which has very mystical connotations. Scripture shows Eve to be the Type. She is taken out of Adam's rib and made like Adam, but is the female part - which has differences. And then comes the mysterious description which describes Eve AND the Church; "You are bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh". What happened to the blood?

Now, we are on the verge of derailing the thread. But, "yes" to your question.
So when you said the following "Israel will be ruled by Overcoming Christians, but who were once Jews." isn't that some form of contradiction?

Those in the Body of Christ are not all Jews before right?
 
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So when you said the following "Israel will be ruled by Overcoming Christians, but who were once Jews." isn't that some form of contradiction?

Those in the Body of Christ are not all Jews before right?
The word "once" was to show the profound change, and the profound difference between s son of Jacob and a son of God. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 does not deny the past. It abolishes it. Peter, James and John WERE Jews, whose Past was wiped by virtue of being IN Christ, and as Members of the New Man, have NO ETHNICITY. Since Israel forfeit the Kingdom, those of the New Man - with no ethnicity - will rule Israel.
 
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The word "once" was to show the profound change, and the profound difference between s son of Jacob and a son of God. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 does not deny the past. It abolishes it. Peter, James and John WERE Jews, whose Past was wiped by virtue of being IN Christ, and as Members of the New Man, have NO ETHNICITY. Since Israel forfeit the Kingdom, those of the New Man - with no ethnicity - will rule Israel.
I see, so what you really meant is not the body of Christ, but rather those Kingdom saints Peter James and John.

That will make sense.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Could you explain it then, in it's proper context?
1st rule of forums.....'never ask a question you don't know the answer to'

the time of restoration means bringing God's plan to fruition.........believing Jews and Gentiles together
And I repeat, taking ONE TEXT out of the context of its chapter is PRETEXT.
 
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1st rule of forums.....'never ask a question you don't know the answer to'

the time of restoration means bringing God's plan to fruition.........believing Jews and Gentiles together
And I repeat, taking ONE TEXT out of the context of its chapter is PRETEXT.
When there is a change of thought you could actually misinterpret a verse by falsely ascribing a previous verse to make it mean something it does not.

Peter speaks of times of refreshing, Sending Jesus, and the restitution of all things.

Restitution of all things either IN HEAVEN or AT JESUS RETURN. I can read it both ways.

So the context only helps a little.

"Restitution of all things " is actually not one specific thing.
It is restoration. "Restoring"

Basically the restoring of the throne of David and the new city Jerusalem.

But it is more.

It is us made whole /salvation
It is my body restored and new /glorified
It is reunion with not only friends and family but reunion with the patriarchs.

It is what was lost in the garden restored,namely walking and talking with the Father.

It is even more than that......

The restoration of all things is vast.
It has already begun.
It is land for the taking now as believers.
It is future.
Restoration. Partial/full.
It is already beginning.

We are in it ,in its birth pangs.
 

GraceAndTruth

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When there is a change of thought you could actually misinterpret a verse by falsely ascribing a previous verse to make it mean something it does not.

Peter speaks of times of refreshing, Sending Jesus, and the restitution of all things.

Restitution of all things either IN HEAVEN or AT JESUS RETURN. I can read it both ways.

So the context only helps a little.

"Restitution of all things " is actually not one specific thing.
It is restoration. "Restoring"

Basically the restoring of the throne of David and the new city Jerusalem.

But it is more.

It is us made whole /salvation
It is my body restored and new /glorified
It is reunion with not only friends and family but reunion with the patriarchs.

It is what was lost in the garden restored,namely walking and talking with the Father.

It is even more than that......

The restoration of all things is vast.
It has already begun.
It is land for the taking now as believers.
It is future.
Restoration. Partial/full.
It is already beginning.

We are in it ,in its birth pangs.
Maybe, depends on where you are going with this.
.......getting a bit esoteric for me.
 

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The word "once" was to show the profound change, and the profound difference between s son of Jacob and a son of God. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 does not deny the past. It abolishes it. Peter, James and John WERE Jews, whose Past was wiped by virtue of being IN Christ, and as Members of the New Man, have NO ETHNICITY. Since Israel forfeit the Kingdom, those of the New Man - with no ethnicity - will rule Israel.
Is that speaking of our status IN Christ or are you saying neither is the male and females in the Church?
 
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Is that speaking of our status IN Christ or are you saying neither is the male and females in the Church?
Our Status IN Christ makes us a New Creature, and IN this New Creature, because of the New Birth by the Holy Spirit, there is no past. But until our resurrection, of course, male and female exist, So does your passport and your flesh and blood. This is very important because Christ's Body - the Church - is made of our physical BODIES (1st Cor.6:15). The death of a Christian damages the Church - removes a MEMBER. But resurrection will restore that member in the appropriate glory. That is why the Gates of HADES (not hell) will not prevail against building the Church.

It is little taught today, but Adam was given TWO DIFFERENT duties in Genesis 1:26-28. One was to SUBDUE, and the other was to RULE. "Subdue" implies that a rebellion is in progress, while ""Ruling" implies enforcement of a set of Laws. If you read the prophets carefully, especially 1st Corinthians 15:24-28, it at once becomes clear that the Millennium is the time, within the old creation, that our Lord SUBDUES THINGS. The last thing to be subdued is death by a general resurrection at the White Throne. The Lord Jesus will exercise RULE with the "rod of iron" during the Millennium, but He still has enemies because carnal man is inherently at odds with God (Rom.8:7). Satan, Magog and death are the last enemies to be subdued.

Once ALL things are subdued, Christ can present His Kingdom to God in absolute order. The Father in turn, makes all things "Pristine" (the meaning of the Greek word "New" in Revelation 21). Even the Lake of Fire will be a perfect monument to God's justice, and a testimony of His ability to achieve what He wants. His councils are immutable.