The 10 Commandments

[gb9]

The wages of sin is death, and as far as I know we will all die a physical death until our King return... no amount of love will concur that. Love is the fruit of the Spirit but the Law is a shadow of that love

God bless you Blik and keep on proclaiming the truth.

her " truth" is that those of us who worship on sun. are actually worshiping nimrod the sun god, and that the romans invented sun. worship.

so, bilk and truth do not know each other very well.

you are a balanced Sabbath pusher, but still a Sabbath pusher, so there is that,

eternally grateful is correct. you Sabbath pushers are not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So your not a sinner?

I am saved by grace.

as John said, those born of God. Are not sinners, because they have been born of God, whoever sins has never seen or known God

the law was made for sinners WHO HAVE NOT BEEN LED AS A SCHOOLMASTER TO CHRIST.

how many times do you need to be shown this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if you have been completely trained by it for many years and have become perfect then that is indeed it's purpose and will have been fulfulled by you; as Christ showed by example that we too are to walk in perfect fulfillment of all the laws, then you too can teach others how also to walk and or learn to walk in all the laws as He/you did and lead the prisoners (all who have not yet become perfected) out of all darknesses and errors and fears and sins.

Um nope

the law will never make you sinless, that was never its purpose. If you think this you are in danger of becoming a modern day pharisee who thougt as you do and did everything in their power to make sure they were perfect according to the law, which as paul said, they were

thats Why the law was a stumbling stone to them, they tripped over it, and missed what thenlaw was intended to do. Lead them to Christ, so when Christ came, they missed him.

seek Christ man, if yu think the law can make you perfect. I fear you have not yet found Christ the way you are commanded,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you say this it means that you are not opposing the Law... but I can't see one post since I became part of this thread where you were for the Law.

You are basically saying that David is in direct opposition to you because he loved the Law and meditated on the Law day and night. He never said the Law is against him... this is actually so sad

David meditated on Gods word

not the Ten Commandments and the commands,

he meditated on on the promises of God, and that’s how he lived his life. By taking the love God gave him, and sharing it with others,

as david said, sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire, he know the covenant which was fading away leading to Christ could not save him, he was saved by grace through faith,

the law has a purpose, to lead to Christ, as a schoolmaster

after it has fulfilled its purpose in yur life. It is time to walk away fro the schoolmaster and walk towards the law and power of grace, mercy forgiveness, and above all love,

that is how we grow and mature in Christ,

not by following a dead law which NO ONE CAN KEEP,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law is given to us by the Lord, the Lord would never give you anything to harm you. The law defines sin, and sin is against you, but the definition of sin is certainly not against you. It tells you what to look for that is against you. It is your protection.

In the law, the Torah, are the ways of the Lord, and the ways of the Lord are for love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. If you feel God's law is out to harm you, then you must also think these things harm you.

lol

he gave me the law so I could find salvation.

if I take the law out of context. It will harm me. because instead of seeking Christ, I will seek to live by something that was never given for me to live by, it’s purpose was to place all under sin, so all could be made righteous.

gal 3 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

it was given to moses, and in essence Israel BECAUSE OF SIN, and was to be held until the seed CHRIST came


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring usto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor...

the law was given to confine (confine in Greek syneklesiam, to shut up, to enclose on all sides, to imprison, to enclose) all under sin, it was given so no one had an excuse, because no one could keep the law. Moses was given the instruction to inform to people to take an oath, that they must confirm every word of the law and obey them, then they made this oath, they claimed that even one sin would constitute breaking that law (see James where he said if we keep the whole law yet stumble in one point we are guilty of all) the Law in essence was given as a tutor to lead us to Christ because it proved we are sinners, and anyone who fell under the curse of the law was headed to a not happy place,

it Did so so that we all who are just as guilty as they were, be put under Christ through faith, and have the curse of the law (which was nailed to the cross as Jesus became the curse for us) and be set free, redeemed, and have our relationship restored so once again we can live as Adam did, total reliance on God, trusting him for everything.

when your trying to follow the law your following something that was supposed to be fulfilled when you came to Christ, so why are you following the tutor and Not the redeemer?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The wages of sin is death, and as far as I know we will all die a physical death until our King return... no amount of love will concur that. Love is the fruit of the Spirit but the Law is a shadow of that love

God bless you Blik and keep on proclaiming the truth.

The wage of sin Is spiritual death my friend, physical death is just a byproduct of sin, like so many other byproducts the world and we have suffered since Adam first sinned,

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The wage of sin Is spiritual death my friend, physical death is just a byproduct of sin, like so many other byproducts the world and we have suffered since Adam first sinned,

If Adam and Eve never sinned they wouldn't have died (physical death). We are all living forever. The end destination will differ.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

David meditated on Gods word

not the Ten Commandments and the commands,

David didn't have much more than the Torah so that is what he meditated my dear brother...

 

[Blik]

her " truth" is that those of us who worship on sun. are actually worshiping nimrod the sun god, and that the romans invented sun. worship.

so, bilk and truth do not know each other very well.

you are a balanced Sabbath pusher, but still a Sabbath pusher, so there is that,

eternally grateful is correct. you Sabbath pushers are not.

I am the person this poster is telling these lies about. I have said that Sunday is named for the sun god, as Saturday is named for Saturn. It is a lie that there has ever been a post falsely accusing anyone of worshipping the sun god when they worship on Sunday. I have said that the idea of worshipping on Sunday was started by pagans who worshipped on Sunday, and worshipping on Saturday was started by followers of the true God who followed scripture telling them God gave Saturday a special blessing.

When these posts are so terribly distorted, it makes posts become lies. I have also stated that the Lord allows both Suntonians and Sabbath keeping. That is ignored for posts that basically tell the world "I am a better person than THAT poster". That is also a lie. The day we go to church does not make that statement of anyone, those who speak of god blessing Saturday and those who deny it.

 

[Blik]

If Adam and Eve never sinned they wouldn't have died (physical death). We are all living forever. The end destination will differ.

We are all living forever through the blood that God speaks of giving on the altar in Leviticus 17:11. God gave this blood as soon as Adam and Eve sinned, and in the gospel of John first chapter this is repeated.

 

[Ogom]

Um nope

the law will never make you sinless, that was never its purpose. If you think this you are in danger of becoming a modern day pharisee who thougt as you do and did everything in their power to make sure they were perfect according to the law, which as paul said, they were

thats Why the law was a stumbling stone to them, they tripped over it, and missed what thenlaw was intended to do. Lead them to Christ, so when Christ came, they missed him.

seek Christ man, if yu think the law can make you perfect. I fear you have not yet found Christ the way you are commanded,

19 My dear brothers and sisters, understand this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger,† 20 for human anger does not accomplish God’s righteousness. 21 Therefore, ridding yourselves of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent,† humbly receive the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.†
22 But† be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like someone looking at his own face† in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of person he was. 25 But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who works — this person will be blessed in what he does.†
26 If anyone† thinks he is religious without controlling his tongue,† his religion is useless and he deceives himself. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to look after orphans and widows† in their distress and to keep oneself unstained from the world.†

 

[Ogom]

Um nope

the law will never make you sinless, that was never its purpose. If you think this you are in danger of becoming a modern day pharisee who thougt as you do and did everything in their power to make sure they were perfect according to the law, which as paul said, they were

thats Why the law was a stumbling stone to them, they tripped over it, and missed what thenlaw was intended to do. Lead them to Christ, so when Christ came, they missed him.

seek Christ man, if yu think the law can make you perfect. I fear you have not yet found Christ the way you are commanded,

Christ was a law keeper, or said another way, a perfect follower of God. if you have been lead to Christ, you have been lead to 'law keeping' also, or to following God.

but, i would say that there are many ways to look at things and that is good too (i am thinking), to talk of these things many ways and the Bible does also. the important thing is wanting to do what is right, learning to in whatever ways we are failing and this is a process i believe.

that the Spirit leads us in if we are listening. but the Spirit is not against any good law or law keeping. it is against law-breaking.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

David didn't have much more than the Torah so that is what he meditated my dear brother...

Yep

one thing he did not do is try to grow by trying to be obedient to commands,

if he did, he was just as foolish as everyone else was, because he understood he could not keep it,

so he served others, just like Jesus did

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If Adam and Eve never sinned they wouldn't have died (physical death). We are all living forever. The end destination will differ.

Adam and Eve died the moment they sinned

adam lived 900 years after his sin, but if he was not born again he would be in hades right now, not paradise.

the wage of sin is death the gift of God is life

as scripture says, I have been made alive, although I remained physically alive, I had to be made alive spiritually

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Christ was a law keeper, or said another way, a perfect follower of God. if you have been lead to Christ, you have been lead to 'law keeping' also, or to following God.

but, i would say that there are many ways to look at things and that is good too (i am thinking), to talk of these things many ways and the Bible does also. the important thing is wanting to do what is right, learning to in whatever ways we are failing and this is a process i believe.

that the Spirit leads us in if we are listening. but the Spirit is not against any good law or law keeping. it is against law-breaking.

Christ served by example, he loved God above all, and he showed no matter what, he loved all people, no matter who they were (even his enemy)

Jesus did not obey y following the law of Moses, he obeyed by following the law of Love.

you want to focus on commands, feel,free,

I will focus on people and figuring out how I can serve amd love the, then and only then will i be a righteous, person who does not break commands,

people can obey the letter of the law, and still be sinners, the jews proved this.

you wanna carry a burden they could not carry, feel free. I will pray for you

 

[Blik]

Yep

one thing he did not do is try to grow by trying to be obedient to commands,

if he did, he was just as foolish as everyone else was, because he understood he could not keep it,

so he served others, just like Jesus did

So this guy's decision is to never repent of a sin, for repentance requires trying. To never show love for Christ by willing himself to obey Christ? And he is NOT foolish!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So this guy's decision is to never repent of a sin, for repentance requires trying. To never show love for Christ by willing himself to obey Christ? And he is NOT foolish!!

Ok ma’am, now you are bordering on slander

why is it everytime any one disagree with you you go on the attack.

no one has or will ever be saved u til they repent, why. Because no one will ever come to true saving faith until they repent

the tax collector repented. that led to him falling on his knees and crying out

the pharisee never repented, that’s why he continued to trust the law, and not grace

you my friend are in danger I feel if you do not repent.

stop putting your faith in the law which can never save or make righteous, and put it in Christ, the one the law pointed too!

 

[gb9]

I am the person this poster is telling these lies about. I have said that Sunday is named for the sun god, as Saturday is named for Saturn. It is a lie that there has ever been a post falsely accusing anyone of worshipping the sun god when they worship on Sunday. I have said that the idea of worshipping on Sunday was started by pagans who worshipped on Sunday, and worshipping on Saturday was started by followers of the true God who followed scripture telling them God gave Saturday a special blessing.

When these posts are so terribly distorted, it makes posts become lies. I have also stated that the Lord allows both Suntonians and Sabbath keeping. That is ignored for posts that basically tell the world "I am a better person than THAT poster". That is also a lie. The day we go to church does not make that statement of anyone, those who speak of god blessing Saturday and those who deny it.

i withdraw my comment about the sun god and sunday worshipers. my apologizes.

 

[Ogom]

So this guy's decision is to never repent of a sin, for repentance requires trying. To never show love for Christ by willing himself to obey Christ? And he is NOT foolish!!

The Way of the Righteous
The Law of God for Daily Meditation

1 Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.
4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.

The righteousness of the Christian is the righteousness of Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:21-26). We have no righteousness of our own, yet we require righteousness in order to enter the presence and know the favor of the Lord. Without righteousness, or holiness, no one will see the Lord (Heb. 12:14). The Christian who is not concerned with righteousness, with growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, seeing Him increase and his old man decrease, learning Jesus with transforming power and grace—that Christian is deceived, and is well-advised to examine himself, whether or not he is truly in the faith (2 Pet. 3:18; John 3:30; Eph. 4:17-24; 2 Cor. 13:5).

 

[awelight]

The moral law as you state are the tablets of stone the ministration of death as Paul called it

The thing you follow you think gives you life was the Ministration of death Given to Israel. Why is it this way? Because when Moses was given them. He made the children of Israel confirm an oat they they confirm ever word and will obey every word

That’s why James said if you keep every command yet stumble in one point. That command has condemned you to death because you are guilty

As Paul said cursed is everyone who try’s to place themselves under the law of commands. Because no one can keep them for that case everyone is condemned by them

The point here is that the Law of the Ten Commandments stands. It is used to show our shortcomings and how far we have fallen from God's Holy Precepts. These Commandments, give to us God's highest form of Worship and Moral standing with others. NO FALLEN individual can keep this high standard and thus, precludes "WORKS". It is not intended for ones Salvation but rather to bring about death and the need for a Just Judgement.

However, this does not make these Commandments something to be ignored. In the believers life, through the Spirit and the knowledge of Truth in God's Word, the believer strives to keep the spirit of the Law, while being unable to perfectly maintain the letter of the Law.

Yes this is done by the exercise of Love (as you indicated), towards God and man but as I stated earlier, Love is inseparable from TRUTH. Those outside of Truth and are propagating lies are hated by God and should be hated by believers as well:

Psalm 139:20-22 For they speak against thee wickedly, And thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies.
Rev 2:6 But this you are having, that you are hating the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Again, the common denominator of a believer's Love, is in the sphere of Truth. The Ten Commandments are Truth and are therefore loved by all believers.