Replacement theology.

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eternally-gratefull

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These flesh descendants of Israel were given the chance to be adopted as the sons of God and to live in His glory. But most rejected it.

God gave his covenants and the law directly to the Jews. He allowed them the privilege of being servants of God. He gave them access to the promises made to Abraham through Christ. But they rejected all of this and perverted it with their own ordinances and customs.
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you need to study more my friend

what they are doing now was prophesied, it should come as no surprise to you. they are what we used to be,

paul warns you in Romans 11, you are not heeding his warning, in affect you are treating them just like they treated the gentiles. making you no better than the,
 
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god promised them he would do this in Lev 26, when the events of 70 ad occured and Israel was scattered among the nations because of her sin,

I also believe Israel is still in sin, as she profanes the name of God in her false gospel. leading many astray


but I also believe as also said in Lev 26, that even After this if they repent Gods will remember his promises, he will remember the fathers and he will remember the land (kingdom)

I also believe places like Ezekiel 36 (see above), jeremiah 40 (the time of jacobs trouble) Ezekiel 37 (valley of dry bones) and many other places, which say God will go after them and they will put an end to their sin repent and again make God hollowed in their site (see also daniel 7) and at that time, god will restore them to the land. When as paul says in Romans 12 the deliverer will come to Zion and all Israel (the nation) shall repent and be saved, and because of their repentance, and because of God promise made to the nation in Lev 26, they will be restored

i believe all of it, not just part of it my friend
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My point is that Paul was telling us that God was done with Israel in chapter 10 and he was casting them away and giving the kingdom to another nation. So Paul picks up in chapter 11 with:

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Paul, knowing that God had cast away Israel, asks does that mean that God has cast away his chosen ones that happen to be Israelite's too. He replies God forbid, I'm an Israelite and he hasn't cast me away just because I'm a part of flesh Israel.

Paul is telling us that he is God's chosen, not the Jews who were cast away.
 
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you need to study more my friend

what they are doing now was prophesied, it should come as no surprise to you. they are what we used to be,

paul warns you in Romans 11, you are not heeding his warning, in affect you are treating them just like they treated the gentiles. making you no better than the,
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Maybe you could show me from the bible what promises were made to God hating unrepentant sinners.
 
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Paul, knowing that God had cast away Israel, asks does that mean that God has cast away his chosen ones that happen to be Israelite's too.
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you can not read Romans 11 and the rest of the passages I have shared and come to this conclusion

but if you wish to continue, there is nothing I can do to help you,


He replies God forbid, I'm an Israelite and he hasn't cast me away just because I'm a part of flesh Israel.

Paul is telling us that he is God's chosen, not the Jews who were cast away.
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yet he told you that he is part of those who have been cast away (the nation)
 
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Maybe you could show me from the bible what promises were made to God hating unrepentant sinners.
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Maybe you can show me you really want to discuss this by responding to my post on Ezekiel 36

and then you can humbly show ever time I have said that God will not restore a nation of unrepentant sinners, by humbly posing all the times I have stated Israel will not be restored until the repent,

until then, all you prove is you selectively read parts of what I say. And assume you understand it, and in doing so, destroy your own argument
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
you can not read Romans 11 and the rest of the passages I have shared and come to this conclusion

but if you wish to continue, there is nothing I can do to help you,




yet he told you that he is part of those who have been cast away (the nation)
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Exactly, by George I think you've got it! You agree that Israel was cast away, you agree that Paul was a Jew. You also agree that Paul WAS NOT cast away.

Think about that for a minute. Paul said God HAS NOT cast away his people. Israel was cast away. Paul was not cast away. Put two and two together now, who was God's chosen, Israel as a nation or Paul as a man?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Maybe you can show me you really want to discuss this by responding to my post on Ezekiel 36

and then you can humbly show ever time I have said that God will not restore a nation of unrepentant sinners, by humbly posing all the times I have stated Israel will not be restored until the repent,

until then, all you prove is you selectively read parts of what I say. And assume you understand it, and in doing so, destroy your own argument
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I've already read over your post on Ezekiel, there are too many things wrong to debate. Number one being the SAVED Jews had their stony heart removed when they accepted Christ at his FIRST coming and the spirit of God entered them on Pentecost.

Number two you totally ignore that there are two Israels in the bible, the flesh descendants and the spiritual descendants. Every time Israel is mentioned in the Old Testament it is not always referring to the God hating flesh descendants.

A good rule of thumb is, if a passage is about rebellion and God's judgement then that's usually a reference to the flesh descendants. If it's about blessings and receiving promises then it's about the spiritual descendants.
 
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I believe both exist, I mean I don't believe it was God's will that Jacob's brothers hated him so much that they left him for dead. But God flipped that and used it to accomplish his will in saving them.
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I see only God's sovereignty in everything.

The "calvinist" position is that man does not have a free will.......but he does have free choice that is responsive to his spiritual condition. Natural man chooses what pleases the flesh, he responds to social morals (hopefully) does not really understand the effect of sin, born again man understands God's view of sin and tries to make choices that pleases God. Failure rate is high, but he gets an E for effort.

Jacob may or may not have had a choice, only God knows that, but we know that Judas, Esau, and Pharoh, among others had no choice.
I had no choice.

Salvation is by God's purpose and will It is not an offer it is a done deal.
 
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I see only God's sovereignty in everything.

The "calvinist" position is that man does not have a free will.......but he does have free choice that is responsive to his spiritual condition. Natural man chooses what pleases the flesh, he responds to social morals (hopefully) does not really understand the effect of sin, born again man understands God's view of sin and tries to make choices that pleases God. Failure rate is high, but he gets an E for effort.

Jacob may or may not have had a choice, only God knows that, but we know that Judas, Esau, and Pharoh, among others had no choice.
I had no choice.

Salvation is by God's purpose and will It is not an offer it is a done deal.
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Why do you think Judas didn’t have a choice?

Jos 24:15 (KJV) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
 
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Does this sound like a guy who has changed his tune?


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Not one word in the Clip stated Trump was a Kabbalahist as you claimed.

You way out in left field in your claims belief, way out
 
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Not one word in the Clip stated Trump was a Kabbalahist as you claimed.

You way out in left field in your claims belief, way out
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I didn't say this video has Trump stating he was a Kabbalahist. I said, does this video look like Trump has changed his ways. Let's totally ignore the fact that Trump was praising his 33rd degree Freemason pastor and telling the world that he doesn't need to ask God for forgiveness.

I guess you don't know much about Freemansonry, Luciferianism or Kabbalah. They are all exactly the same Lucifer worshiping religion. People who worship Lucifer aren't on the side of Christians, they hate us and our way of life.
 
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I didn't say this video has Trump stating he was a Kabbalahist. I said, does this video look like Trump has changed his ways. Let's totally ignore the fact that Trump was praising his 33rd degree Freemason pastor and telling the world that he doesn't need to ask God for forgiveness.

I guess you don't know much about Freemansonry, Luciferianism or Kabbalah. They are all exactly the same Lucifer worshiping religion. People who worship Lucifer aren't on the side of Christians, they hate us and our way of life.
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Trump opposes abortion, and has appointed hundreds of conservative justices to the court

He has signed executive orders on religious liberty

You can make all the claims you desire, his actions speak louder than your words.

I didnt vote vote Pope or pastor of a religious org.
 
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Trump opposes abortion, and has appointed hundreds of conservative justices to the court

He has signed executive orders on religious liberty

You can make all the claims you desire, his actions speak louder than your words.

I didnt vote vote Pope or pastor of a religious org.
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Has abortion stopped? No
Are churches shut down over a "pandemic" with a 99% recovery rate? Yes
Is that in violation of the constitution of the United States? Yes
Did the commander in chief use anything at his disposal to stop it? No
Did Obama care get repealed? No
Did Trump re-up the Patriot Act? Yes
Did Trump add more unconstitutional measures to the Patriot Act? Yes
Has Trump sounded the alarm that CV19 is a cover for implementing Agenda 21.
Has Trump stopped the NWO take over of the United States? No
Is Trump doing his absolute best to get you vaccinated against an illness that has a 99% recovery rate? Yes he is.
Is this country in the worst shape of it's 200+ year history? Yes, it's on the brink of collpase.

Did you know orange man has occult meaning?
Did you know MAGA is the 5th and highest level of Satanism?

I would say Trump has done absolutely nothing for this country but drive it in to the ground. He's the right wing version of Obama.

Oh but he did sign some executive orders that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... well I guess the incompetent dip stick did his best.
 
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Exactly, by George I think you've got it! You agree that Israel was cast away, you agree that Paul was a Jew. You also agree that Paul WAS NOT cast away.

Think about that for a minute. Paul said God HAS NOT cast away his people. Israel was cast away. Paul was not cast away. Put two and two together now, who was God's chosen, Israel as a nation or Paul as a man?
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Nope you still do not get it. Paul says no such thing
 
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I've already read over your post on Ezekiel, there are too many things wrong to debate. Number one being the SAVED Jews had their stony heart removed when they accepted Christ at his FIRST coming and the spirit of God entered them on Pentecost.

Number two you totally ignore that there are two Israels in the bible, the flesh descendants and the spiritual descendants. Every time Israel is mentioned in the Old Testament it is not always referring to the God hating flesh descendants.

A good rule of thumb is, if a passage is about rebellion and God's judgement then that's usually a reference to the flesh descendants. If it's about blessings and receiving promises then it's about the spiritual descendants.
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Another wasted conversation with you
continue to believe what I want. You can explain to God why he said what he said and why you do not believe him
 
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Has abortion stopped? No
Are churches shut down over a "pandemic" with a 99% recovery rate? Yes
Is that in violation of the constitution of the United States? Yes
Did the commander in chief use anything at his disposal to stop it? No
Did Obama care get repealed? No
Did Trump re-up the Patriot Act? Yes
Did Trump add more unconstitutional measures to the Patriot Act? Yes
Has Trump sounded the alarm that CV19 is a cover for implementing Agenda 21.
Has Trump stopped the NWO take over of the United States? No
Is Trump doing his absolute best to get you vaccinated against an illness that has a 99% recovery rate? Yes he is.
Is this country in the worst shape of it's 200+ year history? Yes, it's on the brink of collpase.

Did you know orange man has occult meaning?
Did you know MAGA is the 5th and highest level of Satanism?

I would say Trump has done absolutely nothing for this country but drive it in to the ground. He's the right wing version of Obama.

Oh but he did sign some executive orders that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... well I guess the incompetent dip stick did his best.
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You should apply for a job at CNN, MSNBC, your a perfect fit.
 
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Many, many, many Old Testament Jews rejected Christ. From the wilderness wandering to the Jews who killed Jesus, many Jews have rejected Christ. Those people are in hell today and will be there forever.
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As have many, many,many,many Gentiles, who also killed Christ, since He died for OUR sins. And unfortunately they are also in hell today.







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God's elect, God's chosen people, DO NOT go to hell. How is this not as plain as the nose on your face?
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Romans 11, how is that not plain?
 
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