The 10 Commandments

[Blik]

Ok ma’am, now you are bordering on slander

why is it everytime any one disagree with you you go on the attack.

no one has or will ever be saved u til they repent, why. Because no one will ever come to true saving faith until they repent

the tax collector repented. that led to him falling on his knees and crying out

the pharisee never repented, that’s why he continued to trust the law, and not grace

you my friend are in danger I feel if you do not repent.

stop putting your faith in the law which can never save or make righteous, and put it in Christ, the one the law pointed too!

My goodness, I am NOT attacking as you do. I disagree and am simply stating so, but not attacking. I think repentance is right and to not repent is wrong. That is making a statement of my beliefs, it is NOT attacking as you do. It is not slandering, it is stating what I believe, and both you and I may state those beliefs. If you label it slander to disagree with you, you are doing something against everything that is of God.

And by the way, your saying you know that I believe that obedience to the law is what the Lord looks for in us to gift us with salvation is in your own mind, made up without one bit of evidence from any of my posts. I believe in repentance based on scripture, I believe that to love Jesus is to try our best to follow Him, and I believe only through faith can we be saved. I have stated so over and over, and you have accused me over and over of believing we can be saved through obedience. We can't. You are wrong both in repeating we can be saved by our deeds, and wrong in falsely accusing me of saying so.

I resent that you keep repeating what isn't true. Then because my view does not agree with yours, you attack. That is not right, and I am not slandering you by saying so, I am stating that I don't think personal attacks are the right way to post. I do not make attacks by stating my view. You do.

 

[Grandpa]

The point here is that the Law of the Ten Commandments stands. It is used to show our shortcomings and how far we have fallen from God's Holy Precepts. These Commandments, give to us God's highest form of Worship and Moral standing with others. NO FALLEN individual can keep this high standard and thus, precludes "WORKS". It is not intended for ones Salvation but rather to bring about death and the need for a Just Judgement.

However, this does not make these Commandments something to be ignored. In the believers life, through the Spirit and the knowledge of Truth in God's Word, the believer strives to keep the spirit of the Law, while being unable to perfectly maintain the letter of the Law.

Yes this is done by the exercise of Love (as you indicated), towards God and man but as I stated earlier, Love is inseparable from TRUTH. Those outside of Truth and are propagating lies are hated by God and should be hated by believers as well:

Psalm 139:20-22 For they speak against thee wickedly, And thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies.
Rev 2:6 But this you are having, that you are hating the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Again, the common denominator of a believer's Love, is in the sphere of Truth. The Ten Commandments are Truth and are therefore loved by all believers.

The 10 commandments are loved by believers the way a child loves his fathers belt.

The 10 commandments and dads belt have the same effect on the child.

They are a restrainer from wrong-doing and instill a desire for dads mercy and love and forgiveness.


We all know dad is justified in using his belt. We just hope he doesn't...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The point here is that the Law of the Ten Commandments stands.

your right it does

It is used to show our shortcomings and how far we have fallen from God's Holy Precepts. These Commandments, give to us God's highest form of Worship and Moral standing with others. NO FALLEN individual can keep this high standard and thus, precludes "WORKS". It is not intended for ones Salvation but rather to bring about death and the need for a Just Judgement.

However, this does not make these Commandments something to be ignored. In the believers life, through the Spirit and the knowledge of Truth in God's Word, the believer strives to keep the spirit of the Law, while being unable to perfectly maintain the letter of the Law.

Yes this is done by the exercise of Love (as you indicated), towards God and man but as I stated earlier, Love is inseparable from TRUTH. Those outside of Truth and are propagating lies are hated by God and should be hated by believers as well:

Psalm 139:20-22 For they speak against thee wickedly, And thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies.
Rev 2:6 But this you are having, that you are hating the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Again, the common denominator of a believer's Love, is in the sphere of Truth. The Ten Commandments are Truth and are therefore loved by all believers.

wrong

the common denominator of a believers love is the cross

i am sorry, but I am seriously offended for God that people place a few commands he gave over the grace and forgiveness and sacrificial love he showed to redeem us from the curse of the law

the BEST the law can give you is a false hope you are actually a good person, the most the law can give you is total humility and a feeling of disgust as you see yourself in God eyes, and see that no,after how good you think you are, you are so far from Gods standard of righteousness you are far beyond hope

this is what the law should show you, this is why our focus should never be on the law, because all it can do is make us self righteous decieved people, or self loathing unable to be forgiven pitiful men who have no hope so why bother trying

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My goodness, I am NOT attacking as you do. I disagree and am simply stating so, but not attacking. I think repentance is right and to not repent is wrong. That is making a statement of my beliefs, it is NOT attacking as you do. It is not slandering, it is stating what I believe, and both you and I may state those beliefs. If you label it slander to disagree with you, you are doing something against everything that is of God.

And by the way, your saying you know that I believe that obedience to the law is what the Lord looks for in us to gift us with salvation is in your own mind, made up without one bit of evidence from any of my posts. I believe in repentance based on scripture, I believe that to love Jesus is to try our best to follow Him, and I believe only through faith can we be saved. I have stated so over and over, and you have accused me over and over of believing we can be saved through obedience. We can't. You are wrong both in repeating we can be saved by our deeds, and wrong in falsely accusing me of saying so.

I resent that you keep repeating what isn't true. Then because my view does not agree with yours, you attack. That is not right, and I am not slandering you by saying so, I am stating that I don't think personal attacks are the right way to post. I do not make attacks by stating my view. You do.

Ain’t it funny how since you have been here this is how it is

you think I am slandering you, I know you slander me

would it not be great if we just looked to the word and see what it says,

 

[awelight]

your right it does


wrong

the common denominator of a believers love is the cross

i am sorry, but I am seriously offended for God that people place a few commands he gave over the grace and forgiveness and sacrificial love he showed to redeem us from the curse of the law

the BEST the law can give you is a false hope you are actually a good person, the most the law can give you is total humility and a feeling of disgust as you see yourself in God eyes, and see that no,after how good you think you are, you are so far from Gods standard of righteousness you are far beyond hope

this is what the law should show you, this is why our focus should never be on the law, because all it can do is make us self righteous decieved people, or self loathing unable to be forgiven pitiful men who have no hope so why bother trying

You must be looking at things in a way to just be argumentative. My post takes nothing away from the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ are the Love believers have for Him. However, in this discussion, it is narrowed to the eternal purpose of the Law. The whole of Soteriology was not in that view nor could it have been because that subject takes in everything from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

 

[Magenta]

If Adam and Eve never sinned they wouldn't have died (physical death). We are all living forever. The end destination will differ.

I do not believe Adam and Eve were created immortal. Scripture says God alone dwells in immortality. In fact, God barred A&E from the Tree of Life after they sinned to prevent them from eating of it and living ever after in their sinful state. Now the Tree of Life is again available to all, but only those who eat of it attain to life ever after. Multiple Scriptures speak of the destruction of the wicked. We know this as the second death at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment of all. Oh, I am well aware that some will say, dead is not dead. LOL. I have even been told that apollumi does not mean utterly destroy, which, guess what? Apollumi means, utterly destroy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You must be looking at things in a way to just be argumentative. My post takes nothing away from the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ are the Love believers have for Him. However, in this discussion, it is narrowed to the eternal purpose of the Law. The whole of Soteriology was not in that view nor could it have been because that subject takes in everything from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

Paul told you the eternal purpose of the law

you seem to want Me to ignore paul and listen to you

thanks but no thanks

 

[awelight]

Paul told you the eternal purpose of the law

you seem to want Me to ignore paul and listen to you

thanks but no thanks

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. I do not refute Paul.

 

[awelight]

I do not believe Adam and Eve were created immortal. Scripture says God alone dwells in immortality. In fact, God barred A&E from the Tree of Life after they sinned to prevent them from eating of it and living ever after in their sinful state. Now the Tree of Life is again available to all, but only those who eat of it attain to life ever after. Multiple Scriptures speak of the destruction of the wicked. We know this as the second death at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment of all. Oh, I am well aware that some will say, dead is not dead. LOL. I have even been told that apollumi does not mean utterly destroy, which, guess what? Apollumi means, utterly destroy.

Am I to understand from your post here, that you do not believe in an eternal punishment?

 

[laymen]

I am saved by grace.

as John said, those born of God. Are not sinners, because they have been born of God, whoever sins has never seen or known God

the law was made for sinners WHO HAVE NOT BEEN LED AS A SCHOOLMASTER TO CHRIST.

how many times do you need to be shown this?

So you cant say your a sinner?

 

[awelight]

So you cant say your a sinner?

If you can figure where he (eternally-grateful) is coming from or where he is going.....let me know.

 

[laymen]

I do not believe Adam and Eve were created immortal. Scripture says God alone dwells in immortality. In fact, God barred A&E from the Tree of Life after they sinned to prevent them from eating of it and living ever after in their sinful state. Now the Tree of Life is again available to all, but only those who eat of it attain to life ever after. Multiple Scriptures speak of the destruction of the wicked. We know this as the second death at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment of all. Oh, I am well aware that some will say, dead is not dead. LOL. I have even been told that apollumi does not mean utterly destroy, which, guess what? Apollumi means, utterly destroy.

22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—23 therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

The New King James Version. (1982). (Ge 3:22–24). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

as long as they had the tree all would live forever

 

[Blik]

Paul told you the eternal purpose of the law

you seem to want Me to ignore paul and listen to you

What Paul told you:

Romans 7:12 The law is holy, righteous, good, and spiritual and is upheld.

Romans 3:31 Do we then nullify the law through faith? Absolutely not! Instead we uphold the law.

Romans 8:4 so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately

Romans 7:21 So, I find the law that when I want to do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God in my inner being. 23 But I see a different law in my members waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:7 because the outlook of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ like a garment,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. I do not refute Paul.

Actually yes you do

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you cant say your a sinner?

You can’t say your saved by grace and since you are born it a god are not seen as a sinner?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you can figure where he (eternally-grateful) is coming from or where he is going.....let me know.

I am against righteousness which comes from the law the law will
Never make you righteous

And no. I Am not talking about salvation although that fits also

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What Paul told you:

Romans 7:12 The law is holy, righteous, good, and spiritual and is upheld.

Romans 3:31 Do we then nullify the law through faith? Absolutely not! Instead we uphold the law.

Romans 8:4 so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately

Romans 7:21 So, I find the law that when I want to do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God in my inner being. 23 But I see a different law in my members waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:7 because the outlook of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ like a garment,

Nope
what Paul told me was what I showed you. You completely ignored it. Thus I can not help you

 

[Blik]

Nope
what Paul told me was what I showed you. You completely ignored it. Thus I can not help you

Many people read these posts, and most believe that all scripture is truth, they must all apply. So you may believe as you like, but most believe all scripture is truth, and all must be read to understand. So you may ignore all these, but there are people here who learn from scripture.

 

[laymen]

You can’t say your saved by grace and since you are born it a god are not seen as a sinner?

Ok, eternally, You don't have to tell me.

The Law to me reminds me of Grace, shows me my need for Grace. And reminds me that his Grace enough. I still take the side of the Law because He is my Creator and I know in my heart that the Law is Holy, Just, and Good... So yes, I can say I am Saved by grace, that not of my self, but a gift of God. I can't earn this gift, it is only given those who believe in Jesus.

Taking sides with the law does not put me under the Law but Free from it. Free to follow with out worry~"Cast your cares on me for I care for you". We can "come to the throne of Grace boldly" in Jesus's name. That means Gods sees Jesus instead of our sins. So now we have "Imputed Righteousness".

We are seen as righteous but until God makes everything New we live in the here and now (sinners) Knowing we have a hope in Jesus to end sin for ever. Until then I am saved by Grace (you can't have grace with out the Law for, the law is what proves we have grace!) , I might have to die in this life time because of sin, but I still have hope of ( 1Th 4:17 ) "Alive and remain"
Who knows but until the Master gets back, I want to remain working with the "seed" and "be about my fathers business".

 

[laymen]

Many people read these posts, and most believe that all scripture is truth, they must all apply. So you may believe as you like, but most believe all scripture is truth, and all must be read to understand. So you may ignore all these, but there are people here who learn from scripture.

7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

The New King James Version. (1982). (2 Ti 3:7). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Some will be led away by various lust. For if we read the Word in the flesh then it will profit of us nothing. For the man in the flesh sees God's Word as foolishness.