IS SIN A CHOICE?

[Encouragement]

I think that prior to accepting Christ we are all subject to sinning. After accepting Christ who paid the price for our sins so that we may not have to be subject to sinning, it then becomes a choice whether to sin or not to sin.

Yes many sins are definitely choice based..Some sins are more subtle like motives..we can have sinful motives yet not be fully aware of them at times...and motives can be developed over time from life experiences,fears,,selfish ambitions,pride ect...I think the classic is doing the right thing but for totally the wrong reasons..

 

[luigi]

Yes many sins are definitely choice based..Some sins are more subtle like motives..we can have sinful motives yet not be fully aware of them at times...and motives can be developed over time from life experiences,fears,,selfish ambitions,pride ect...I think the classic is doing the right thing but for totally the wrong reasons..

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

 

[Encouragement]

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

yes of course..

 

[Encouragement]

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

Its interesting that God sees our motives even when we are still choosing a course of action that we know is clearly wrong..we almost become self deceived into thinking ita all gonna be ok (like damsons thought process when he compromised with deliah)
and that there won't be a consequence of our actions.
Sometimes there isnt a heavy consequence in that sense..but other times there is...
like having an affair,stealing money and such like....some have unfortunately suffered loss as a result..

 

[AlmondJoy]

I agree with you that we can be unaware of some more subtle sin motives. However, there are those sins which we are aware of being in the wrong direction, which we willfully continue to choose to do. We all will have to overcome our obvious sins at some point, or at the end we will have willfully chosen the flesh over the Spirit.

AMEN!!!

 

[luigi]

Its interesting that God sees our motives even when we are still choosing a course of action that we know is clearly wrong..we almost become self deceived into thinking ita all gonna be ok (like damsons thought process when he compromised with deliah)
and that there won't be a consequence of our actions.
Sometimes there isnt a heavy consequence in that sense..but other times there is...
like having an affair,stealing money and such like....some have unfortunately suffered loss as a result..

While currently there may not be a heavy consequence to our willful continuing to sin; the Lord prunes every tree (of their errors) that continues to abide in Him. I imagine this means, that if we continue to abide in Christ, we will then wilfully choose the Spirit over the flesh, which the Lord will then continue to prune away even those sins we are unaware of.

 

[Encouragement]

While currently there may not be a heavy consequence to our willful continuing to sin; the Lord prunes every tree (of their errors) that continues to abide in Him. I imagine this means, that if we continue to abide in Christ, we will then wilfully choose the Spirit over the flesh, which the Lord will then continue to prune away even those sins we are unaware of.

For sure..and he knows how to deal with our vulnerabilities too..God knows us in a way that we don't even know ourselves..👍👍

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Just when I think you and your friend couldn't possibly say less you fool me by saying more. And every time you say more you say less!!!

Is it not amazing just how many in Jesus's days on earth thought his doctrine was a very strange doctrine, and hard to understand?
That is why so few find the understanding of the gospel that Jesus taught in these days. Keep studying with an open mind, and you might be able to understand it some day, with the help of the Holy Ghost, if you deny your own entelect.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hi just saw your post and I get the essence if what you mean definitely..coz jesus was tempted but never sinned.
So being tempted just means one is presented with the opportunity to sin...that isnt a sin in itself many situations...but actually yielding to the temptation is the sin.

The other situation is when we can have deceitful/evil desires within us that can generate the desires to want something that we shouldn't be wanting...yet one can be enjoying the experience of those desires within without acting it out..like sexual lusts,vengeful fantasies ect...

Well that's my little 2 pennies worth😊😊

[/QUOTE]
Matt 5:28, But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[Encouragement]

Matt 5:28, But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.[/QUOTE]
what's the point your tying to make from quoting this verse in terms of a response to my previous comment?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Matt 5:28, But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

what's the point your tying to make from quoting this verse in terms of a response to my previous comment?[/QUOTE]
Your comment that "one can enjoy the experience of those desires within, without acting it out". Matt 5:28 infers that you have already committed adultery.

 

[Encouragement]

what's the point your tying to make from quoting this verse in terms of a response to my previous comment?

Your comment that "one can enjoy the experience of those desires within, without acting it out". Matt 5:28 infers that you have already committed adultery.[/QUOTE]
Well that's what I ment..sins like lust for example can be easily be done within the heart without any outward physical action...it's one of the most commonist kinda of sins..I am sure there are countless women who could be chatting to a man..yet unbeknown to her he is undressed her in his mind ect...

 

[AlmondJoy]

Is it not amazing just how many in Jesus's days on earth thought his doctrine was a very strange doctrine, and hard to understand?

the only problem is you are preaching "YOUR DOCTRINE" not "HIS DOCTRINE"

Your doctrine says Jesus didn't die for everyone (somehow you know for sure though he died for you)

Keep studying with an open mind, and you might be able to understand it some day, with the help of the Holy Ghost, if you deny your own entelect.

if you have studied so much and have such great intellect (btw you spelled intellect wrong) and bible knowledge why do you refuse to answer any of the questions I have asked concerning Judas?

please don't blame the Holy Ghost for your learning of scripture. I feel sure a ghost taught you, but it wasn't the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost would never teach that God created only certain people to go to heaven and the rest go to hell.

"run forest run"

 

[ForestGreenCook]

the only problem is you are preaching "YOUR DOCTRINE" not "HIS DOCTRINE"

Your doctrine says Jesus didn't die for everyone (somehow you know for sure though he died for you)




if you have studied so much and have such great intellect (btw you spelled intellect wrong) and bible knowledge why do you refuse to answer any of the questions I have asked concerning Judas?

please don't blame the Holy Ghost for your learning of scripture. I feel sure a ghost taught you, but it wasn't the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost would never teach that God created only certain people to go to heaven and the rest go to hell.

"run forest run"

I am 86 years old, and think some of your comments to be comical. You might consider this scripture, and think my lack of spelling skills work to my advantage. Matt 11:25, At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

I do not try to discern who is one of the elect, and who is not. Does this answer your question about Judas? King David got himself into a lot of trouble with God for trying to number Israel (Jacob whose name is Israel and is representative of God's elect), not the whole nation of Israel. 2 Sam24 & Rom 9:11.

You need to do more studying with trying to harmonizing the scriptures.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Your comment that "one can enjoy the experience of those desires within, without acting it out". Matt 5:28 infers that you have already committed adultery.

Well that's what I ment..sins like lust for example can be easily be done within the heart without any outward physical action...it's one of the most commonist kinda of sins..I am sure there are countless women who could be chatting to a man..yet unbeknown to her he is undressed her in his mind ect...[/QUOTE]
If I sometimes come across rather blunt, I apologise.

 

[tribesman]

Inherited sin is not a choice, it's a nature. Personal sin is a choice.

 

[awelight]

It is the same root word. You have chosen to alter its meaning when it refers to Christ, that is up to you. The translators were consistent at least.

https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3986.htm

Either we are never "tempted, only tested instead" or Christ was tempted as we. Or we can pick and choose what the root words mean to suit our understanding regardless of it being inconsistent. Also we should change "tempter" to tester if we continue down this path.

Youngs also agrees with strongs. The difinition is applied in one set way to the 20 verses it applies to in the New Testament.

It has it as one set definition, temptation, and is translated 19 times as such, and once as the plural. So either we and Christ were tempted or Christ and we were only tried.

Lead us not into temptation, or lead us not into testing?
With ever temptation God will provide us with a means of escape, or is it with every trial?

If I said Christ HAD sinned whilst in a moral body, indeed you would be right to rebuke me.
I said no such thing however. I have offered scripture that backed up my understanding, and you yours. Clearly we interprate them differently.

I am not debating you further. You have clearly stated your understanding, and I have stated mine.

We are saved by faith in the SINLESS son of God. I think we both have that covered.
I wish you well and say God bless you. Catch you on another thread, another time maybe.

While I know you said you were not interested in what I have to say, but I must comment for the sake of others.

You said, "Lead us not into temptation, or lead us not into testing?
With ever temptation God will provide us with a means of escape, or is it with every trial?"

The first statement, comes from the Lord's example prayer given to His disciples. Should it read, "Lead us not into temptation..."? Absolutely not!!!!! This is the reason why:

James_1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither is He tempting any man:

Your second statement, is absolutely correct, He provide a means to escape. God "tempts" no one, nor does God lead one into such a situation. The Devil might and we certainly do lead ourselves into temptation. As believers, we must accept and harmonize every Scripture. There are no conflicts are confusion in Scripture, only in the mind of men.

Therefore, if we look at this section of the model prayer: Mat_6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (ASV).

I submit, that the proper translation, of the Greek, in this verse should have read: "And let us not be lead into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one: For yours is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen (Nestle Greek text, my own translation).

This translation, as you can see, brings both Mat. 6:13 and James 1:13, (also, all other Scriptures), into harmony on this matter.

You personally, might take offence to someone like me offering translations, however, please note, that I have been translating the Kone Greek (The common man's Greek of The New Testament), for over thirty years. I sincerely wish, that all of believers in Jesus Christ, were fluent in the Kone Greek. It so enriches the study of Scripture, broadens ones horizons and makes so much clearer the Word of God.

 

[oldethennew]

OMGoodness!!!
DUT. 30:19.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death,
blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

 

[Guojing]

Inherited sin is not a choice, it's a nature. Personal sin is a choice.

So did personal sin cause inherited sin, or the other way around?

 

[tribesman]

So did personal sin cause inherited sin, or the other way around?

The other way around, of course. It's that depraved nature which causes sin and death - Rom.5:12.