Replacement theology.

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KJV1611

KJV1611

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Guojing said:
Currently, the saved Jews are in the Body of Christ, where they are equal to the rest of us.
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Yes I agree and it has been that way since Adam. All people are saved by grace through faith in Christ. In other words Adam, Abraham, David and all the Old Testament saints were believers in Christ.
 
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Guojing said:
Yes, but as I discussed with KJV1611, Israel will have some special privileges during the Tribulation, that the unbelieving gentiles during that time won't.

God promised to feed them and to protect them during that time, aka the famous Psalms 91. He is only requiring them to stand firm during the Tribulation period and not take the mark of the beast.

During the Tribulation, once again, those gentiles who bless the Jews with food and shelter, will be blessed too (Matthew 25:31-46).
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Sounds like dispensational and futurist doctrine, of which I don't agree. I halt at the fact that God is able to graff in broken branches again and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Yes I agree and it has been that way since Adam. All people are saved by grace through faith in Christ. In other words Adam, Abraham, David and all the Old Testament saints were believers in Christ.
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Yes, indeed the gospel was preached also unto them, the Saints of old (Heb.4:2). Glory to God in the highest!
 
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KJV1611 said:
Yes I agree and it has been that way since Adam. All people are saved by grace through faith in Christ. In other words Adam, Abraham, David and all the Old Testament saints were believers in Christ.
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Yes, it was always by faith, I fully agree with you.

You show your faith in God by obeying what he commanded. For example, when God commanded Noah to build an ark, he show faith by building an ark.

So if God commanded the people, during the Tribulation, not to take the mark of the beast, if you disobey God and took the mark, that shows you have no faith.
 
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tribesman said:
Sounds like dispensational and futurist doctrine, of which I don't agree. I halt at the fact that God is able to graff in broken branches again and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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Well the Tribulation will be a very interesting 7 year period.

I believed in the pre-tribulation rapture of the Body of Christ, but one thing I am sure is that, during those 7 years, I will be most keen to observe what is going on on the Earth during that time. ;)
 
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KJV1611 said:
Christ killing, (poster refers to the Jews)
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Really!? This is truly disgusting.

You know who killed Christ? YOU DID!!

And I did. And everyone else who has ever lived, or will ever live.

No one took Jesus' life. He laid it down because He loves us, to pay our sin debt.
 
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PennEd said:
Really!? This is truly disgusting.

You know who killed Christ? YOU DID!!

And I did. And everyone else who has ever lived, or will ever live.

No one took Jesus' life. He laid it down because He loves us, to pay our sin debt.
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Christ gave his life for me but the Jews murdered him.

Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Act 5:30 (KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
 
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Why in the world do you people come to the defense of the people who shouted crucify him crucify him and spit on our savior? You guys are sick!

Y’all send money to a group of people that hate our God, hate us and spread pornographic garbage and LBGT propaganda all over the world and you people stand for them. Blows my mind! It is no wonder we are under Gods judgement.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Why in the world do you people come to the defense of the people who shouted crucify him crucify him and spit on our savior? You guys are sick!

Y’all send money to a group of people that hate our God, hate us and spread pornographic garbage and LBGT propaganda all over the world and you people stand for them. Blows my mind! It is no wonder we are under Gods judgement.
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I have to agree somewhat. I believe this is much down to all the emotionalism that there is to it. Since jews as a collective have suffered a lot for many centuries and have taking the heat from many sides for such a long time it's easy to have sympathies for them. Yet to come up to such conclusions that the Israel first:ers do in our day is absurd. We have now in our day some jews coming to faith in Christ (in spite of being taught that Christ is "yeshu" (away with him!) and Birkat haMinim, from childhood) and that should be our main concern.
 
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tribesman said:
I have to agree somewhat. I believe this is much down to all the emotionalism that there is to it. Since jews as a collective have suffered a lot for many centuries and have taking the heat from many sides for such a long time it's easy to have sympathies for them. Yet to come up to such conclusions that the Israel first:ers do in our day is absurd. We have now in our day some jews coming to faith in Christ (in spite of being taught that Christ is "yeshu" (away with him!) and Birkat haMinim, from childhood) and that should be our main concern.
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I’m all for supporting Messianic Jews but to pump money into the Kabbahlistic capital of the world is ridiculous.
 
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I’m all for supporting Messianic Jews but to pump money into the Kabbahlistic capital of the world is ridiculous.
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Mind boggling if christians support talmudic and kabbalistic schools - and their damnable view on Jesus. Sad to say, but jews as a people and the state of Israel seems to have become an idol for many christians.
 
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Mind boggling if christians support talmudic and kabbalistic schools - and their damnable view on Jesus. Sad to say, but jews as a people and the state of Israel seems to have become an idol for many christians.
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Nothing new tribesman, they’ve been the same stuff necked rebellious people that they’ve always been but there is always a remnant of them that are good. Same as with the gentiles. The overwhelming majority of gentiles are stiff necked and rebellious.
 
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Don’t know if y’all have heard this but Trump cut Sydney Powell loose today. She is no longer working for Trump.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Nothing new tribesman, they’ve been the same stuff necked rebellious people that they’ve always been but there is always a remnant of them that are good. Same as with the gentiles. The overwhelming majority of gentiles are stiff necked and rebellious.
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Yes, a remnant chosen by the Most High. I rest very content in that there is but one single elect gospel-believing Israel revealed in the Scriptures (both in the OT and the NT). I leave the gainsayers to their own speculations and errors.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Christ gave his life for me but the Jews murdered him.

Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Act 5:30 (KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
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Not all of the Jews in that day were culpable, and none are today.
 
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Not all of the Jews in that day were culpable, and none are today.
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When Israel was the favored nation of God in time past, as their leaders go, so goes the entire nation. (1 Kings 15:34 )

So when Israel leaders and high priest decided that Jesus is to crucified (John 11:51), God viewed the entire nation as guilty.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Like your friend KJV

you ignore WHO Jesus is speaking too, about and what is the covenant being spoken of.

to both of you, the words “the land, whom I brought your father out from the land of Egypt and gave to them”mean nothing, somehow you seem to thi i those promises were given to the church. When I am her to try to show you, God never removed the church from the land of Egypt when we were slaves, and he never gave us a plot of land in the middle east

so in essence I must heed what the word says about that, and not ignore it

but thank you for trying
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Being delivered from Egypt is allegorical of being freed from the bondage of sin (Heb.11:24-26). Like Hagar is a figure of the bondage of the law Gal.4:24).

The land of promised to Abraham is really the heavenly Jerusalem,

he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10 the heavenly Jerusalem, Heb.12:22

it's called "the mother of us all", like Eve, the church.

These are Jews, explaining their own scriptures to us.
 
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Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, that is the beauty of discussion forums.
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No one has the right to slander another person. One of the commands says thou shalt not bear false witness, this is the command broken most often in christian circles and it makes us look horrible

this is the attitude that has made places like this places to pity, not places to rejoice about,
 
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You do have a point there, e-g. We need to be mindful, especially as to professing christians but also whomsoever it may be. Richard Louw (from calvin.edu) even told the mormons that "we have told you what you believe rather than ask you what to believe". There were too many times we went headlong into debates, tilting at windmills. Btw, long time no see, bro. Cheers!
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True.

cheers back bro. Been awhile
 
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To the ones saying Romans 11 speaks of two groups. The passage in question speaks of Israel and Israel alone, it starts after Paul warns the gentile church not to be proud, because if God did not spare the natural branches (Israel) he will not spare us either, and also about the mystery of Israel only being blinded in part UNTIL the time of the gentile is complete

because at that time, all Isreal will be saved,

it is in this context that he says Israel at this time is hated because of the gospel but beloved because of the fathers, the gifts and calling of Gods are irrevocable,

this of course speaks of the gift given to the fathers, and the same gift God will give Isreal when they repent, and they are restored. As prophesied in all the places I have shown.
 
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