Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?
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Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
How is that Jesus told 12 guys standing in front of him that they would not have time to preach to the cities in Israel BEFORE the Son of man came?
How is that Jesus told 12 guys standing in front of him that they would not have time to preach to the cities in Israel BEFORE the Son of man came?
Come on now, you come in here spreading lies that I’m a heretic because I believe the Bible over your version. Answer the question.
According to mazzaroth, the thing God made to be for SIGNS, which SIGN of the Mazzaroth did we enter into 2000 years ago when Christ RETURNED from the grave? Could it have been Pisces, the CHRISTian age?
Gen 1:14 (KJV) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
According to mazzaroth, the thing God made to be for SIGNS, which SIGN of the Mazzaroth did we enter into 2000 years ago when Christ RETURNED from the grave? Could it have been Pisces, the CHRISTian age?
Gen 1:14 (KJV) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
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I did read verse that say rapture after man of sin being reveal or tribulation
2 tes 2
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
That day will not come ........until a man of lawlessness being reveal
Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Immediately after tribulation .... not before.
2 tes 2
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
That day will not come ........until a man of lawlessness being reveal
Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Immediately after tribulation .... not before.
Hi Jackson!
Regarding the great tribulation, Matthew 24:15-22 has it starting when the abomination is set up in the temple, which according to Daniel 9:27, begins in the middle of the seven years.
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Jesus quoting Daniel from the scripture above:
"So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
So, Daniel 9:27 establishes the seven year time period, with the abomination being set up in the middle of the seven years. Then in Matt.24:21 Jesus identifies the great tribulation as begging when the abomination is set up.
Now all of that said, since Jesus already experienced God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely, then God's wrath no longer rests upon those who are in Christ. And since God's wrath will come upon the whole world during that entire seven years, including the great tribulation which begins in the middle of the seven years, then the church must be removed prior to that last seven years of God's wrath. At the end of the of the great tribulation, which again is that last 3 1/2 years, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and set up His millennial kingdom.
So, do you now understand now why the gathering of the church (rapture) must take place prior to the great tribulation and prior to the beginning of that seven years? Understanding this all has to do with understanding that believers in the church are not appointed to suffer God's wrath because Jesus already did. And since the great tribulation is apart of the time period of God's wrath, then the church cannot be on the earth to experience it and must be removed before it begins.
Below, Isaiah says that the Lord took upon himself God's wrath that brought us peace.
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Surely He took on our infirmities
and carried our sorrows;
yet we considered Him stricken by God,
struck down and afflicted.
But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
and by His stripes we are healed.
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Let me know if you have any other concerns regarding this.
Regarding the great tribulation, Matthew 24:15-22 has it starting when the abomination is set up in the temple, which according to Daniel 9:27, begins in the middle of the seven years.
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Jesus quoting Daniel from the scripture above:
"So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
So, Daniel 9:27 establishes the seven year time period, with the abomination being set up in the middle of the seven years. Then in Matt.24:21 Jesus identifies the great tribulation as begging when the abomination is set up.
Now all of that said, since Jesus already experienced God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying it completely, then God's wrath no longer rests upon those who are in Christ. And since God's wrath will come upon the whole world during that entire seven years, including the great tribulation which begins in the middle of the seven years, then the church must be removed prior to that last seven years of God's wrath. At the end of the of the great tribulation, which again is that last 3 1/2 years, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and set up His millennial kingdom.
So, do you now understand now why the gathering of the church (rapture) must take place prior to the great tribulation and prior to the beginning of that seven years? Understanding this all has to do with understanding that believers in the church are not appointed to suffer God's wrath because Jesus already did. And since the great tribulation is apart of the time period of God's wrath, then the church cannot be on the earth to experience it and must be removed before it begins.
Below, Isaiah says that the Lord took upon himself God's wrath that brought us peace.
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Surely He took on our infirmities
and carried our sorrows;
yet we considered Him stricken by God,
struck down and afflicted.
But He was pierced for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,
and by His stripes we are healed.
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Let me know if you have any other concerns regarding this.
Ok let’s say your right and you may be right in saying this doesn’t fit what Paul is saying about Jesus descending from heaven.
Let’s look at this point. The Old Testament saints were the dead in Christ. Those saints rose with Christ at his resurrection. This puts the start of the resurrection at the resurrection of Christ.
Let’s look at this point. The Old Testament saints were the dead in Christ. Those saints rose with Christ at his resurrection. This puts the start of the resurrection at the resurrection of Christ.
Tribulation is not only god wrath. But start with devil wrath finish with God wrath
Yes and immediately after tribulation, not before the Son of man appear on the cloud, that when rapture happen
Matthew 24:29-30
King James Version
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Yes and immediately after tribulation, not before the Son of man appear on the cloud, that when rapture happen
Matthew 24:29-30
King James Version
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The bold ^ is not what Scripture states will take place at the time of His Second Coming to the earth [to which you are referring];
rather, the phrase which pertains to THAT point in the chronology is: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"
["the age [singular] to come" is what FOLLOWS that point in time, and also takes place upon the earth--the word "age [singular]" connects with earth-time/[and]-history... whereas the phrase "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" is what we call "eternal/eternity/forever/forever-and-ever"/endlessness, etc...]
rather, the phrase which pertains to THAT point in the chronology is: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]"
["the age [singular] to come" is what FOLLOWS that point in time, and also takes place upon the earth--the word "age [singular]" connects with earth-time/[and]-history... whereas the phrase "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" is what we call "eternal/eternity/forever/forever-and-ever"/endlessness, etc...]
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Really? How do you explain the bride already being in heaven and then following the Lord out of heaven to the earth then?
The event above it when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and those who will have previously be resurrected and caught up will be with Him, when the Lord returns. It is not gathering of the church.
As usual, you are not discerning the difference between the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth as being two separate events. You are counting them as the same. And by doing so, you put the church through God's wrath, which we are not appointed to suffer. Why don't you understand these things?
The reference in verse 31 to sending out His angels, is the gathering of those great tribulation saints who will have made it alive throughout the entire tribulation period.
Regardless of what Satan does during that time, the entire period is designated as 'the Day of the Lord,' i.e. the time of God's wrath.
The event above it when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and those who will have previously be resurrected and caught up will be with Him, when the Lord returns. It is not gathering of the church.
As usual, you are not discerning the difference between the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth as being two separate events. You are counting them as the same. And by doing so, you put the church through God's wrath, which we are not appointed to suffer. Why don't you understand these things?
The reference in verse 31 to sending out His angels, is the gathering of those great tribulation saints who will have made it alive throughout the entire tribulation period.
Regardless of what Satan does during that time, the entire period is designated as 'the Day of the Lord,' i.e. the time of God's wrath.