New Age: New Apostolic Reformation

[unclefester]

*lol* I hope he hid the credit cards! j/k

I didn't report my stolen credit cards for over three months.....even then I was hesitant to. The thief was spending far less than the missus

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

I didn't report my stolen credit cards for over three months.....even then I was hesitant to. The thief was spending far less than the missus

*lol* you poor man. That's why I don't have any.

 

[silverwind]

*lol* I hope he hid the credit cards! j/k

lol...

 

[zone]

Lol....and he's telling his buddies......."I got the missus to think it was her idea". That's what we do ya know

hhahahahahahehehehe.......

 

[zone]

I didn't report my stolen credit cards for over three months.....even then I was hesitant to. The thief was spending far less than the missus

rotflhmo

 

[Deadflesh]

hey SW
that's a particularly nasty one: but they all end up that way.
whatever that thing is (Kundalini), it is actually, physically passed from one to another...contagious).

its odd how even a little exposure to that stuff seems to create a kind of addiction to it, and an aversion for the scriptures and ordinary ways of christian life. i've read so many testimonials of people who have come out of that......it can happen.

No, Kundalini isnt "imparted" its allready dormant in the human. The just kinda torment the demon allready in/on the person. its sorcery. Therey dont impart anything jsut play aound with whats there allready.

 

[AnandaHya]

No, Kundalini isnt "imparted" its allready dormant in the human. The just kinda torment the demon allready in/on the person. its sorcery. Therey dont impart anything jsut play aound with whats there allready.

mixture of both. the energy is already in the body and is what keeps the body functions going (ATP chain reactions, neuron firing, etc) but the sorcery and demonic practice come into play when they give them a "spirit guide" or "angel companion" to show them the practices of "spiritual warfare" It allows them to see demons around them but they are blinded by the veil placed on their eyes and minds by the false light, illusions and lies that Satan places around them. It makes them think THEY are in CONTROL and must WORK for salvation and not trust in the GRACE of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the world.

It definitely sorcery since they think THEY are in control and not GOD. It is sorcery when you think you can through prayer, ritual, speaking in tongues, etc get God to change and do your bidding. Instead of allowing God to change YOU. IF anything does your bidding it is NOT God but what is called familiar spirits. The Bible speaks against such practices not because they are not possible but because they are a form of demonic worship.

But you think everyone is born with a demon in them? Is that what God says?


I'm not sure but it doesn't sound Biblical to me

clarification of point please?

 

[Deadflesh]

mixture of both. the energy is already in the body and is what keeps the body functions going (ATP chain reactions, neuron firing, etc) but the sorcery and demonic practice come into play when they give them a "spirit guide" or "angel companion" to show them the practices of "spiritual warfare" It allows them to see demons around them but they are blinded by the veil placed on their eyes and minds by the false light, illusions and lies that Satan places around them. It makes them think THEY are in CONTROL and must WORK for salvation and not trust in the GRACE of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the world.

It definitely sorcery since they think THEY are in control and not GOD. It is sorcery when you think you can through prayer, ritual, speaking in tongues, etc get God to change and do your bidding. Instead of allowing God to change YOU. IF anything does your bidding it is NOT God but what is called familiar spirits. The Bible speaks against such practices not because they are not possible but because they are a form of demonic worship.

Agreed.

But you think everyone is born with a demon in them? Is that what God says?


I'm not sure but it doesn't sound Biblical to me

clarification of point please?

Is everyone born with a demon in them? Im not sure if i can answer that. The bible doesnt say thats NOT true. and i actually never said that. so please dont worry, you can go back over what i said, and be sure i said nothign like that.

But if your NOT born agian, and covered by the blood of Jesus, then you belong to something else entirely. and if you noticed i said "In/On" I never said you were born with anythign. but we ARE born wicked, and our hearts are inherently evil, so...

And if you are listening to voices instead of JESUS, then those voices are your master/LORD and that is idolatry. and tht measn you ARENT takign captive everythought and you are living in SIN. And thats DEFIANTELY what happened to these "latter rain people". Its self, pride, and idolotry.

Anyway, that "Kundalini" is Pure self/serpent power. And they harness it. It makes them feel, like you said, that THEY have power...but they dont. its deception, its a strong delusion. GOD gave it to them.

 

[AnandaHya]

Anyway, that "Kundalini" is Pure self/serpent power. And they harness it. It makes them feel, like you said, that THEY have power...but they dont. its deception, its a strong delusion. GOD gave it to them.

Its just another perversion of nature. Like cancer, misuse of resources. That is what sorcery is all about CONTROL. It destroys but pretends to create and causes illness.

They have power that God gave them. Its not SUPERNATURAL.

We have the power to comfort and love each other, but most would rather try and pervert it into control and dominance.

We have power to control our bodies, but it is a perversion to use our bodies or energy bodies to control others. Mental manipulation is as wrong as physical coercion.

We are to listen to the commands of GOD and be guided by the HOLY SPIRIT not focus on "miracles and signs"

If you want to know what is a miracle? watch the birth of a child, their first smile, their laughter.

If you want to see wonders, look around you and think how each creature was formed by God's hand. Think about how all things work together and think of the fragility of Life and the conditions needed for it to maintain.

If it gets too hot things will die, not enough water things die, too much water things die, too cold things die.

the complexity of life is a testimony of God's miracles around us every day. why do people seek for more?

Psalm 77:17-19 (New King James Version)


17 The clouds poured out water;
The skies sent out a sound;
Your arrows also flashed about.
18 The voice of Your thunder was in the whirlwind;
The lightnings lit up the world;
The earth trembled and shook.
19 Your way was in the sea,
Your path in the great waters,
And Your footsteps were not known.

 

[zone]

[SIZE=+3]The Third Wave "New Apostolic Reformation"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Heretical doctrines and ideas that have fused together[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]to form the teachings of the movement[/SIZE]



[SIZE=+1]by Sandy Simpson, 10/02[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]There are many roots to the Third Wave/New Apostolic Reformation and counterfeit revivals we see today. The churches have been invaded by ideas from other religions and the occult. In some ways all the influences from the past have common characteristics and have been combined by false teachers into doctrines that have cause many to be led into apostasy. The Bible tells us we are to keep the Faith, to guard the church against false doctrines.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+0]Heretics can almost always be found to have connections with false systems of belief, other religious practices, even the occult. I want to detail some of the influences on the Third Wave movement and those who have brought these teachings into the churches. There are many influences, but I will try to briefly give you a background on the major influences seen in the Third Wave.[/SIZE]


(1) Shamanism (Witchcraft, Sorcery)
(2) Quakers (Friends) & Shakers
(3) Latter Rain Movement
(4) Mystical Eastern Religion - New Age
(5) Gnosticism
(6) New Thought Movement
(7) Oneness Pentecostals
(8) Word-Faith Movement (Prosperity Doctrine/Positive Confession)
(9) Pelegianism - Semi-Pelegianism - Arminianism
(10) Spiritism/Spiritualism ​

[SIZE=+2]Conclusion[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]You might have noticed a few names popping up over and over again through this presentation. Benny Hinn and many other popular teachers have now managed to combine all the heretical doctrines and occult practices of other religions into one new "paradigm shift" religion. This religion has about as much to do with classic biblical Christianity as Mormonism or any other cult. In fact may of the Word-Faith doctrines are identical to Mormonism because they come out of New Thought. If you know the root you can discern the branches. This is why it is important for every Christian to at least have a rudimentary understanding of the heresies of the past, as well as a major understanding of the Word of God. If you know your history you will be far less likely to repeat the same mistakes.[/SIZE]​

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/thirdwaveteachings.html​

 

[zone]

A STRONG DELUSION - The New Apostolic Reformation

• C. Peter Wagner
• Chuck Pierce
• Dominionism
• New Reformation

Everyone hates a mosquito. There is just something infuriating about these little insects thinking they can suck our blood. In the natural, not one of us would stand and watch a mosquito draw our blood without swatting it away. However, in the spiritual, we the church are doing just that. There is a growing force sucking the life Blood out of us and we are welcoming them in and making them at home. However, far from harmless mosquitoes, these parasites are lethal. They are the reformers of the church, the new crusaders if you will, the gathers of the global church. They are the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), and they are coming for your church.


The new Apostolic Reformation (NAR) sprang from the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement. They claim that they have been given authority to lay the foundation for the “new” global church. They believe they are restored apostles called and ordained by God to be the government for the emerging “New Order” church. In order to maintain this governance they stress strict obedience and submission to them in all matters. They claim they hear directly from God, and many claim that Jesus visits them in person. Like the true biblical apostles who established the early church, these so called restored apostles believe they are called to lay the foundation and government for the new Kingdom (one world church). Their goal is complete and utter control of the church and subjugatation of its current governance to them. They want power, dominion and total control. They truly believe that the world is awaiting fulfillment of a take over by a militant church (Joel’s Army) that will arise, govern and dominate the world politically and spiritually. This is a highly organized group with a global agenda. It has been well thought out, well strategized, and will be implemented with military precision. The grid is in place - our future is planned.


Alarmingly, these apostolic churches represent one of the fastest growing segments in the church today. In an article entitled New Apostolic Reformation and the Faith and Work Movement, John Rowell states the following “David Barrett, editor of the World Christian Encyclopedia reports 1,000 apostolic networks on record in his global database. These networks are found on six continents and account, by his estimate, for some 100 million believers worldwide. Dr. Wagner estimates that in the US alone there are as many NAR churches as there are Southern Baptist congregations – something approaching 40,000. Growth in the Third World among these churches far surpasses the more mundane statistics found in the West. Europe’s largest church is Manna Church in Lisbon, Portugal with 25,000 members. The Universal Church of the Kingdom of God in Brazil claims over 3 million congregants. The world’s largest congregations are now in Nigeria where the Church of Jesus Christ in Logos assembled 10-12 million people for its Holy Spirit service in December, 2000. The world has never seen this kind of church expansion!”


According to Wikipedia, Kingdom Now theology (which the NAR ascribes to) believe that God lost control over the world to Satan when Adam and Eve sinned. Since then, the theology goes; God has been trying to reestablish control over the world by seeking a “special” group of believers. Through these people — known as "covenant people," "overcomers" or "Joel's army," depending on the source — social institutions (including governments and laws) would be brought under God's authority. These "covenant people" or "overcomers" are "little gods" — God's "extension" in the world to regain authority from the devil. The church, under the leadership of "restored" apostles and prophets, therefore must take over the world and put down all opposition to it before Christ can return. Anyone who rebels against the church, along with other "evildoers," must convert or be punished.


No one is more central to this global takeover of the church than C. Peter Wagner. It might frighten you to know that through Wagner’s World Prayer Center (WPC) he is tracking thousands of ministries and churches.


"We see our task as getting people in touch with one another to form interactive, human web networks that are properly equipped to wage effective spiritual warfare. The WPC is a fully equipped nerve center with data and information about prayer needs throughout the world [which] ... networks prayer ministries, denominations, churches and cell groups. World Prayer Center website. Why is this groundwork being laid for a global network? To pave the way for the Apostolic Reformation in which apostles take control of the church and usher in the New Order church they call the kingdom of God.”
I don’t think anyone has put it more succinctly than Sandy Simpson in his forward to his article, The Agenda & Teaching of the New Apostolic Reformation.


(The Agenda & Teaching Of The New Apostolic Reformation)
Simpson states that, “This agenda (the apostolic and prophetic reformation) runs through thousands of agencies and web sites. It is what is driving the Transformations movement, the global prayer movement, and thousands of other churches and organizations. What Christians need to realize is that they need to make a choice now. A majority of Christian churches have already succumbed to this Dominionist agenda foisted on the churches by false apostles driven by false prophecies from false prophets. Wagner is talking about the government of the church, under the leadership of the new foundational restored "apostles", OVERTHROWING the governments of the world. “


Recently someone sent me a DVD of one of these apostolic conferences called, 2008, Staring the Year off Right. Dutch Sheets spoke shamelessly about their (NAR) groups plans to take over. He showed a doted map of the United States with hundreds of large and smaller dots spaced evenly across the country. He explained that the larger dots showed the apostolic hubs: the teaching and training centers they had already implemented. The smaller dots showed the individual apostles that had been put in place. Underneath the apostles, he explained, would be the individual churches that would be, a local expression of the global church. He stressed that we were no longer to think in terms of our local church but in terms of the Kingdom (buzz word for the coming one world church). It might alarm you that they have deemed 2008 as the year of the “great shift”


John Eckhardt , one of Wagner’s leaders, had this to say in his book, Moving in the Apostolic “The war between the Pastor and the Prophet will cease with the full emergence of the Apostle…. Are we going to be willing to submit our ministry to a specific Apostolic visionary? This is a critical question that will determine our influence on hastening the coming of the Lord, in our effective contribution to the restoring of all things spoken by the prophets”


Let me state emphatically that God does not need us to hasten his coming. That the God of the universe would somehow be impotent and unable to return to earth until WE overthrow the kingdoms of this world is not only heretical but utterly ludicrous.


Rick Joyner in his book The Harvest had this to say about the emerging government of the Apostles. “It was said of the Apostle Paul that he was turning the world upside down; it will be said of the apostles soon to be anointed that they have turned an upside down world right side up” . Nations will tremble at the mention of their name


According to Joyner these reigning apostles will actually make all things right; they will bring order out of Chaos. Interestingly enough, this is the same mantra as the New Agers and those pushing for a New World Order. Joyner goes further in saying that the nations will tremble at their name? If these apostles are going to make all things right and bring order, healing, salvation, and the love of Christ to the whole earth, then why would the nations tremble? They will tremble because they plan to kill those who do not go along with their governance.


You may be experiencing confusion right now; you may be saying to yourself, no this couldn’t be! How could a deception this big exist? Well, let’s think about that for a moment. We know from the Word of God that there will be a one world church and a one world government. This one world government and church is not God’s. We know that the end of days will be marked by deep deception and lying signs and wonders. In fact, the Bible says that the Antichrist will call fire down from Heaven. The Bible also says that God will send a powerful delusion to those that did not love the Truth so that they will believe a lie. If your only basis by which to judge whether a person or ministry is from God are signs and wonders then sadly enough you are already deceived.


Below are some of the teachings and beliefs of these self styled apostles.

· They believe that God is restoring the office of prophet and apostles to the church
· Claim that they alone have the power and authority to execute the plans and purposes of God
· Believe they are building a new foundation for a global church.
· Believe they will literally establish the Kingdom of Heaven on earth
· Believe in a coming “civil war” in the church where they will overcome all (true Christian) opposition.
· Place an inordinate emphasis on angels and the supernatural
· Claim extra biblical revelations that can not be scripturally proven ( progressive revelation)
· Claim that God is doing a “new thing”
· Frequently say that those not accepting their heretical teaching are “Putting God in a box”
· Teach that we should never question their authority.
· They use the term “Touch not God’s anointed” frequently when questions are raised.
· They peg those that question their authority as bound by religion, legalistic, divisive, narrow minded, rebellious, and demonic
· Place a greater emphasis on dreams, visions and extra-biblical revelation than they do on the word of God
· They believe they will be the corporate incarnation of Christ
· They believe they will execute judgment upon those who oppose them (up to and including death).
· They believe in a one world religion operating in sync with a one world government.
· They believe in complete unity and believe that there is nothing they can not accomplish through this unity.
· They believe they can bring Heaven down to earth (Yoism- see link below for more information) (Herescope: Yoism: Creating Heaven on Earth)
· They believe that we will be perfected here on earth
· They believe in aggressively organizing small group networks
· They believe in the organization of apostles under pre-eminent apostles
· They believe that ALL local churches must be under the authority of a regional or trans-local apostle
· They believe each city must have an apostle- men given extraordinary authority in spiritual matters over the other Christian leaders in the same city
· They consider themselves divine, little gods and equal to Christ ( although they loosely veil this)
· They believe they will attain perfection on earth
· They consider themselves the “Defenders of the Faith”
· Place a great deal of emphasis on mysticism and hidden knowledge ( Gnosis)
· Do not believe in the rapture (or believe the wicked are the ones that will be ruptured)
· Stress unity over doctrine and reject the literal interpretation of the Bible



II Thessalonians 2:8-11 (Amplified Bible)
8 And then the lawless one (the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming.

9 The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels-[all of them] lying wonders—

10 And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.

11 Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false.

A STRONG DELUSION - The New Apostolic Reformation | Deception Bytes

 

[NoahsMom]

While I wouldnt say ALL pentecostals are crazy, nor would i say all charismatics are crazy, sadly its things like this, that saddens and terrifies me. You have craziness that goes on in ANY denomination, and Zone, I wouldnt say your bashing by bringing some of these things to light that are CLEARLY NOT OF GOD. Actually, Im quite thankful for some of the things you have brought to my attention, keep up the good fight sister, may God bless you richly.

 

[zone]

While I wouldnt say ALL pentecostals are crazy, nor would i say all charismatics are crazy, sadly its things like this, that saddens and terrifies me. You have craziness that goes on in ANY denomination, and Zone, I wouldnt say your bashing by bringing some of these things to light that are CLEARLY NOT OF GOD. Actually, Im quite thankful for some of the things you have brought to my attention, keep up the good fight sister, may God bless you richly.

thank you Noah'sMom.
that really means a lot to me, especially coming from you cuz i know, well, you know, that i know that you know that i know that.....*sigh* it really means a lot that you said this (i was worried about my renewed friendship with you)

it isn't fun, but man, we HAVE to stop these guys! (i mean the leaders of this thing)...like i said before. maybe if we can our own churches cleaned upclued up on th lingo and tactics these guys use, we can fortify it to keep these wolves from coming in.

when i see ladies walking around with the extreme spiritual warfare books and prayers of jabez and Lord knows what else i just cringe.

thanks NM....i don't tar people with the brush i'm using NM: i'm lookin' for the perps, and hoping to bust down the pen they got around our Lord's peeple so they can run away.
i love you
zone

 

[NoahsMom]

Like I told silverwind once, Im thinkin we got ALOT wrong, and ALOT backwards. Scott, ( noahsdad) has done massive studies on alot of things like this, and alot of other things as well, me, im quite simple, God has to pretty much thump me in the head with it, and say " Lori, yes, Im tellin you this, and this is what it means", or im not saying nuffin. Im so fearful of tellin someone the WRONG thing, because to me, thats some SERIOUS BUSINESS. However, I do lead with my heart, I do try and see the best in everyone, unless its blatant heresy, in which case 9 times outta 10 i just say nothing and pray about it, unless I know that i know that i know.......etc.That being said, over the past say maybe 5 years or so Gods really been opening my eyes to alot of things on a personal level with my studies, Ive been walkin with the lord for 18 years, but being shown " church politics", and alot of " doctrines" that are bein taught, that are flat out just not biblical, has really fried my brain. On the upside, its made me dig more, study more, and find the truth for myself, and while I wont agree 100% with alot of things alot of ppl say....I can see a sincere, searching for Gods truth, desire in your person to WANT others to not be deceived, hurt, blinded, and thats a special gift all in its own Zone. We ALL approach ppl at a zillion different directions, some of us are more direct, and blunt, but I have never questioned your motives ( which are pure), becaue we are alike in this way. I believe in spiritual gifts, I believe they are for today, thats MY walk, its been proven, shown to ME. Do I love you any less cause you maybe dont?...NO, it doesnt take away from what your work is in the Lord, and you have been blessed with that , USE IT. Like I said, you bring ALOT to the table, and i have learned, and Im thankful.

 

[unclefester]

it isn't fun, but man, we HAVE to stop these guys! (i mean the leaders of this thing)...like i said before. maybe if we can get our own churches cleaned up, clued up on the lingo and tactics these guys use, we can fortify it to keep these wolves from coming in.

when i see ladies walking around with the extreme spiritual warfare books and prayers of jabez and Lord knows what else i just cringe.

thanks NM....i don't tar people with the brush i'm using NM: i'm lookin' for the perps, and hoping to bust down the pen they got around our Lord's people so they can run away .

Precisely ! Too many are too frightened to even question these supposed "Godly leaders"....and this is how they succeed with their deception. Through FEAR ! It's truly disgusting and desperately needs to be laid bare for what it is. Only then will those with genuine hearts towards God be freed from their sinister clutches. You are truly appreciated Zone

 

[zone]

Precisely ! Too many are too frightened to even question these supposed "Godly leaders"....and this is how they succeed with their deception. Through FEAR ! It's truly disgusting and desperately needs to be laid bare for what it is. Only then will those with genuine hearts towards God be freed from their sinister clutches. You are truly appreciated Zone

COME ON FES....LET'S WIN THIS THING!

 

[zone]

Like I told silverwind once, Im thinkin we got ALOT wrong, and ALOT backwards. Scott, ( noahsdad) has done massive studies on alot of things like this, and alot of other things as well, me, im quite simple, God has to pretty much thump me in the head with it, and say " Lori, yes, Im tellin you this, and this is what it means", or im not saying nuffin. Im so fearful of tellin someone the WRONG thing, because to me, thats some SERIOUS BUSINESS. However, I do lead with my heart, I do try and see the best in everyone, unless its blatant heresy, in which case 9 times outta 10 i just say nothing and pray about it, unless I know that i know that i know.......etc.That being said, over the past say maybe 5 years or so Gods really been opening my eyes to alot of things on a personal level with my studies, Ive been walkin with the lord for 18 years, but being shown " church politics", and alot of " doctrines" that are bein taught, that are flat out just not biblical, has really fried my brain. On the upside, its made me dig more, study more, and find the truth for myself, and while I wont agree 100% with alot of things alot of ppl say....I can see a sincere, searching for Gods truth, desire in your person to WANT others to not be deceived, hurt, blinded, and thats a special gift all in its own Zone. We ALL approach ppl at a zillion different directions, some of us are more direct, and blunt, but I have never questioned your motives ( which are pure), becaue we are alike in this way. I believe in spiritual gifts, I believe they are for today, thats MY walk, its been proven, shown to ME. Do I love you any less cause you maybe dont?...NO, it doesnt take away from what your work is in the Lord, and you have been blessed with that , USE IT. Like I said, you bring ALOT to the table, and i have learned, and Im thankful.

thank you Noah'sMom.
very much.



*sniffle*

 

[unclefester]

Like I told silverwind once, Im thinkin we got ALOT wrong, and ALOT backwards. Scott, ( noahsdad) has done massive studies on alot of things like this, and alot of other things as well, me, im quite simple, God has to pretty much thump me in the head with it, and say " Lori, yes, Im tellin you this, and this is what it means", or im not saying nuffin. Im so fearful of tellin someone the WRONG thing, because to me, thats some SERIOUS BUSINESS. However, I do lead with my heart, I do try and see the best in everyone, unless its blatant heresy, in which case 9 times outta 10 i just say nothing and pray about it, unless I know that i know that i know.......etc.That being said, over the past say maybe 5 years or so Gods really been opening my eyes to alot of things on a personal level with my studies, Ive been walkin with the lord for 18 years, but being shown " church politics", and alot of " doctrines" that are bein taught, that are flat out just not biblical, has really fried my brain. On the upside, its made me dig more, study more, and find the truth for myself, and while I wont agree 100% with alot of things alot of ppl say....I can see a sincere, searching for Gods truth, desire in your person to WANT others to not be deceived, hurt, blinded, and thats a special gift all in its own Zone. We ALL approach ppl at a zillion different directions, some of us are more direct, and blunt, but I have never questioned your motives ( which are pure), becaue we are alike in this way. I believe in spiritual gifts, I believe they are for today, thats MY walk, its been proven, shown to ME. Do I love you any less cause you maybe dont?...NO, it doesnt take away from what your work is in the Lord, and you have been blessed with that , USE IT. Like I said, you bring ALOT to the table, and i have learned, and Im thankful.

You are a sweet, genuine soul NM. Let not your heart be troubled.....neither let it be afraid

 

[AnandaHya]

thank you Noah'sMom.
very much.



*sniffle*

it is bad i get the urge to break up the sappy moment?

 

[unclefester]

COME ON FES....LET'S WIN THIS THING!

Spoken like a true Canuck.....LOL