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Well, the heavenly city is believers (Rev.21:2).
Its like how the OT says people will marvel at how "the land" that was laid waste has become like Eden. They're marveling at the change in us because of Jesus,
hou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. Isa.58:11
Its like how the OT says people will marvel at how "the land" that was laid waste has become like Eden. They're marveling at the change in us because of Jesus,
hou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. Isa.58:11
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It’s interesting that none of the original children of Israel could enter into the promised land, it was only their children, the SECOND BORN and those who believed the account of TWO rather than the TEN could enter.
I think the “land of promise” was only an allegory for the promised land. In other words the land of Canaan was used to illustrate how believers are to reach the heavenly city, the promised land.
I have been totally blessed by the discussions on this thread, I’ve learned a lot.
I think the “land of promise” was only an allegory for the promised land. In other words the land of Canaan was used to illustrate how believers are to reach the heavenly city, the promised land.
I have been totally blessed by the discussions on this thread, I’ve learned a lot.
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did you notice in v. 31 he says David saw what was to come and spoke of Christ's resurrection - necessarily also seeing His death?
but isn't it correct that you say David had a 'different gospel' because, you say, he didn't know about the death & resurrection of the Messiah? Peter is explicitly contradicting that doctrine.
the context of v. 34 is that David himself is not the ascended lord spoken of in the psalm -- to the intent of establishing that David prophesied of Christ, not that David did not receive salvation.
but isn't it correct that you say David had a 'different gospel' because, you say, he didn't know about the death & resurrection of the Messiah? Peter is explicitly contradicting that doctrine.
the context of v. 34 is that David himself is not the ascended lord spoken of in the psalm -- to the intent of establishing that David prophesied of Christ, not that David did not receive salvation.
it's not clear to me whether we will dwell in heaven or in the new earth. whether such a question of locality even makes sense. seems like we'll be able to pass between the two -- ascending and descending ((if that's even the right terminology in the resurrection)) i imagine, on THE LADDER, which is, Christ.
eternity is timeless. a lot of anthropomorphisms we apply in our thinking today on the subject, i think will seem inane to us later when we come to know fully what He has stored up for us. it's like trying to talk about 11 dimensional geometry while the only world you've ever known is 2d - we barely have conception much less language for it
eternity is timeless. a lot of anthropomorphisms we apply in our thinking today on the subject, i think will seem inane to us later when we come to know fully what He has stored up for us. it's like trying to talk about 11 dimensional geometry while the only world you've ever known is 2d - we barely have conception much less language for it
As I said, David, like all the OT saints, has Israel's destiny, which will take place in the 2nd coming of Christ for Israel.
When Jesus returns for Israel in the 2nd coming, all these OT saints, including Abraham, will be resurrected and live permanently in the millennial kingdom on Earth.
The 12 of course will be on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel then.
When Jesus returns for Israel in the 2nd coming, all these OT saints, including Abraham, will be resurrected and live permanently in the millennial kingdom on Earth.
The 12 of course will be on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel then.
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So you will be like your pal and lie about MY belief also. You know it gets to the point where yu have nothing left when you have to resort to lies.
please show me where I said an unbelieving Jew will be returned to their land, and how they can be restored apart fro faith?
if your gonna make an accusation back it up
as for the rest of the mess you posted, we have already established that that birth by faith is directed at in you shall all the nations be blessed,
Not I give you the land to this one child and all his physical descendants,
Your the one trying to make the land promise and blessing to all nations promise one thing not me,
if they are the same, by application, then every physical descendent is saved, because the promise in this case was made to them
you can’t have it both ways my friend,
please show me where I said an unbelieving Jew will be returned to their land, and how they can be restored apart fro faith?
if your gonna make an accusation back it up
as for the rest of the mess you posted, we have already established that that birth by faith is directed at in you shall all the nations be blessed,
Not I give you the land to this one child and all his physical descendants,
Your the one trying to make the land promise and blessing to all nations promise one thing not me,
if they are the same, by application, then every physical descendent is saved, because the promise in this case was made to them
you can’t have it both ways my friend,
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As for abd not giving Abraham the land.
Gen 13: 14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your [c]descendants forever. 16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, thenyour descendants also could be numbered. 17 Arise, walk in the land through its length and its width, for I give it to you.”
abraham received his land, he lived in it,
he also was told that his descendents would not recieve it for 400 years because the sin of the amorite was not yet complete
Gen 15: 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that isnot theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
abraham also never complained he never received it
Gen 13: 14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are—northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your [c]descendants forever. 16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, thenyour descendants also could be numbered. 17 Arise, walk in the land through its length and its width, for I give it to you.”
abraham received his land, he lived in it,
he also was told that his descendents would not recieve it for 400 years because the sin of the amorite was not yet complete
Gen 15: 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that isnot theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
abraham also never complained he never received it