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throughfaith

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1 COR 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him

Contemporary English Version You know Christ always does right and everyone who does right is a child of God.
What does this have to do with the post ?
 

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Why can't we stay in the same letter ? All the context is there . Paul wants them to understand what he's saying from the letter . Going to the old testament is ok but going from pre crucifixion to after is confusing . Unless you explain the difference .

the Spirit of God is not confusing. it is always telling us, teaching us, encouraging us to do what is right, better, good, best. when you read the Bible - listen for the Spirit to explain, and do not think that you know better than God what to do in life or how to read the Bible correctly (without the Spirit). the Spirit leads into all Truth but (carnal) human reasoning is fallible and looking for a way of escape from a life of servitude (towards God) and holiness (not easily found or brought about - work out your own salvation).

the way is narrow and few there be that find it.
 

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the Spirit of God is not confusing. it is always telling us, teaching us, encouraging us to do what is right, better, good, best. when you read the Bible - listen for the Spirit to explain, and do not think that you know better than God what to do in life or how to read the Bible correctly (without the Spirit). the Spirit leads into all Truth but (carnal) human reasoning is fallible and looking for a way of escape from a life of servitude (towards God) and holiness (not easily found or brought about - work out your own salvation).

the way is narrow and few there be that find it.
That's subjective. We need objective truth . Thats the word of God .
 

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Work out your own salvation in Philippians 2:12 certainly does not mean work for your salvation. Salvation by works is not being taught here. The idea is to progress to completion in spiritual growth and maturity. This is in reference to "ongoing sanctification." Paul makes it clear that we are to be active, not passive, in this process. However, though we are active, we are not alone. In verse 13, we read - for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
 

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Work out your own salvation in Philippians 2:12 certainly does not mean work for your salvation. Salvation by works is not being taught here. The idea is to progress to completion in spiritual growth and maturity. This is in reference to "ongoing sanctification." Paul makes it clear that we are to be active, not passive, in this process. However, though we are active, we are not alone. In verse 13, we read - for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
I agree with you . I do see that this is more about selflessness / furtherance of the Gospel. Rather than a personal focus . It may be that through this selflessness, the fruit of that may come ( sanctification) . But selfishness can come from a sanctification focus also. Some see that it can't be works for salvation, but change it to works for sanctification. Which is not the focus here . Its God working through . Not in a calvinistic ' Lordship salvation ' way ,of course .
 
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You've definitely got things mixed up . I don't even know what your saying . Are you confusing ' deliverance ' in today Old testament sense . Where Israel was delivered from famine or war ect ?
I'm talking about this (separation from your fellowship with God)
And make the truth of none affect, and is A lie
separation from your fellowship with God) and is a LIE
It will be separation alright, in the LAKE OF FIRE, for holding on to sin and not being RIGHTEOUS, to be turned to ASHES
separated from every thing for ever and ever, For GOD says, DUST THOU ART AND UNTO DUST THOU SHALT RETURN,
HE also says Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Deliverance by works; Phil 2:12 his regenerated children being obedient to his commandments is "working out their own deliverance" not eternally, but they are awarded here in this world by their obedience to his commandments.. Romans 2:10, but glory, honour, and peice, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile. Romans 6;16 Know ye not, that whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom you obey, whether of sin unto death (separation from your fellowship with God), or obedience unto righteousness.
This in red was ADDED by mans hands AND by Satan's working in their MINDS, Not saying who done it, but I think they are on DANEREOUS GROUND. and real bad ground if they are dead and didn't repent of it.

This is doing what this says, and this verse spells it out for US
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
 

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this does not belong in the verse. And make the truth of none affect, and is A lie
separation from your fellowship with God) and is a LIE


This is doing what this says, and this verse spells it out for US
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?


Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
ROMANS 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

ROMANS 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of
righteousness.

1 COR 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.

EPH 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
EPH 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
EPH 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

PHIL 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

1 TIM 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

2 TIM
3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Hebrews12:14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
THIS is telling US that with out HOLINESS, NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD.

1 THESS 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

12:14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. [chastening us to get us righteous]

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy [are ye]: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
This tells us that the saved is righteous, even as YESUAH is righteous.
1 JOHN 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. { This is telling us if we are not righteous, WE ARE OF THE DEVIL }

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. To her = the Church
The RED is telling the saints that they are Righteous,


2 COR 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

THIS should be enough to let us know that we haft to have RIGHTEOUSNESS TO MAKE IT TO HEAVEN
What is your point in listing all of these scriptures, with the exception of Acts 13:10, that are referencing born again children of God telling that they have righteousness.

Is it that you are under the misunderstanding that when a person is born again, that they never commit another sin?
 
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What is your point in listing all of these scriptures, with the exception of Acts 13:10, that are referencing born again children of God telling that they have righteousness.

Is it that you are under the misunderstanding that when a person is born again, that they never commit another sin?
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
This telling us that we can sin, and if we do, we can repent and ask YESUAH FOR FOREGIVENESS


GALATIANS 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
And this verse is telling us if we do not go back to our advocate, And get forgiveness AGAIN, then we will be devoured.
 

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1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
This telling us that we can sin, and if we do, we can repent and ask YESUAH FOR FOREGIVENESS


GALATIANS 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
And this verse is telling us if we do not go back to our advocate, And get forgiveness AGAIN, then we will be devoured.
1 John 2:1 My little children (regenerated) when they repent, they can be delivered (saved) from the consequences of that sin. This has no reference to being delivered eternally.

There remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, but when a regenerated child of God sins, God chastens him and when he repents, God devours his sin.
 

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Work out your own salvation in Philippians 2:12 certainly does not mean work for your salvation. Salvation by works is not being taught here. The idea is to progress to completion in spiritual growth and maturity. This is in reference to "ongoing sanctification." Paul makes it clear that we are to be active, not passive, in this process. However, though we are active, we are not alone. In verse 13, we read - for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
There is a salvation=deliverance here in this world when we follow God's commandments by our good works, So it does mean to work for your deliverance here on earth, not for your eternal deliverance.
 

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1 John 2:1 My little children (regenerated) when they repent, they can be delivered (saved) from the consequences of that sin. This has no reference to being delivered eternally.

There remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, but when a regenerated child of God sins, God chastens him and when he repents, God devours his sin.
So eve just took one bite . Do you write them all down ? Or just pray for a general " all of my sins i might have done , and some i might have not realised i did " ? You must be busy ?
 

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So eve just took one bite . Do you write them all down ? Or just pray for a general " all of my sins i might have done , and some i might have not realised i did " ? You must be busy ?
As far as those that God gave to Jesus to pay for their sins, no sin will keep them out of heaven.
 

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1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
This telling us that we can sin, and if we do, we can repent and ask YESUAH FOR FOREGIVENESS


GALATIANS 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
And this verse is telling us if we do not go back to our advocate, And get forgiveness AGAIN, then we will be devoured.
Have I not explained Heb 10 to you before?
You've definitely got things mixed up . I don't even know what your saying . Are you confusing ' deliverance ' in today Old testament sense . Where Israel was delivered from famine or war ect ?
Salvation, saved, save, according to Greek means; deliverance, delivered, deliver. If you apply all deliverance scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, the scriptures will tend to imply "eternal deliverance by works".
 

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I don't believe they are working out anything in an eternal or temporal sense. This is about the furtherance of the Gospel. Its about ' working " For others and not themselves, FOR the furtherance of the message .Selflessly not selfishly. Adding ' for rewards ' or ' for deliverance ' is contrary to the focus. I believe in ' rewards ' for believers and certainly these Paul is speaking to would be rewarded later .
"Work out your own salvation" We interpret this differently. I believe my interpretation harmonizes with other scriptures. Do you believe that salvation is interpreted by the Greek concordance to mean "a deliverance"?
 
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Have I not explained Heb 10 to you before?

Salvation, saved, save, according to Greek means; deliverance, delivered, deliver. If you apply all deliverance scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, the scriptures will tend to imply "eternal deliverance by works".
HEBREWS IS the new testament and about YESUAH OUR new high priest, and for GOD'S Church today,
 

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¶And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;

10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;

11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

12But I would that ye understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;

13So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places;

SO THAT MY BONDS IN CHRIST ARE MANIFEST .
I believe in the scriptures that you have quoted, but I do not believe they apply to working out your own salvation.
 
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"Work out your own salvation" We interpret this differently. I believe my interpretation harmonizes with other scriptures. Do you believe that salvation is interpreted by the Greek concordance to mean "a deliverance"?
Yes from committing sins, saved from our sins and not saved in our sins, the deliverance is from committing sins
 

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HEBREWS IS the new testament and about YESUAH OUR new high priest, and for GOD'S Church today,
I believe this post, but it does not have anything to do with my explanation of Heb 10.
 
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I believe in the scriptures that you have quoted, but I do not believe they apply to working out your own salvation.
Salvation IS free, BUT YOU GOT TO FIGHT TO KEEP IT,
10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
without offence till the day of Christ, means without committing sin, FOR sins is the offence, against GOD
 

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As far as those that God gave to Jesus to pay for their sins, no sin will keep them out of heaven.
There's no verse in the new testament that says the father gives folks to Jesus . John 6 is pre crucifixion.