MGTOW Red Pill Bible Are woman capable of loving a man?

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Magenta

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Some issues with most Red Pill's usual argument. Women want to protect their offspring therefor they are incapable of truly loving a man. Which makes the argument pretty stupid, as of course a man would choose their child over the wife also. Meaning the same argument can be applied to man.
Their offspring are blood relatives, men are just some guy they met in a bar.
The premise is flawed, being that it is a logical fallacy (non sequitur).
 

SoulWeaver

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This is just hilarious now: Breaking news woman love Jesus move aside rock star billionaire :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:. It's cute how far you go in your absurdity to maintain your illusions.

It's the same stupidity of woman want a "nice" guy, but keep dating and are attracted to jerks, but they just don't know why! :cry::ROFL:.
You have pretty high expectations if you expect unregenerate women to like Jesus over a billionaire rock star. What about the "stupidity" of unregenerate men being attracted to "hot" celebrities and actresses instead of saint celibate girls? They want a "nice" woman yet they are attracted and keep chasing vapid bimbos, and just don't know why. Alas!
 

SoulWeaver

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The premise is flawed, being that it is a logical fallacy (non sequitur).
The OP can't seem to comprehend that if he isn't the only one who is loved, and if this person loves his children as well, he's not getting less love. For the OP love is apparently like a cake so he must get a whole cake, or he's getting shorthanded. When you feel threatened by your own kids. The myth about Cronus comes to mind :censored:
 

SoulWeaver

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@GdaxBbb

If you don't mind sharing this detail with us, I am interested into something else more than your dating history. If you don't mind sharing what was your born again experience in Christ? When were you born again, and how did your life change exactly after being born again? I want to hear your testimony. In which ways do you personally practice love your neighbor as thyself? What do you believe Jesus expects from you in your life, from all of us?
 

Magenta

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If you don't mind sharing this detail with us, I am interested into something else more than your dating history.
Given his dim view of women, is it likely he has one? :unsure::LOL:
 

SoulWeaver

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Given his dim view of women, is it likely he has one?:unsure::LOL:
Well didn't he say women like dating jerks? Maybe he has that going for him... or maybe he's rich and women chase him. I don't know what's his secret
 

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@GdaxBbb

If you don't mind sharing this detail with us, I am interested into something else more than your dating history. If you don't mind sharing what was your born again experience in Christ? When were you born again, and how did your life change exactly after being born again? I want to hear your testimony. In which ways do you personally practice love your neighbor as thyself? What do you believe Jesus expects from you in your life, from all of us?
I checked his profile he says he is single male and was saved when he was 19 based on his absolutely infuriating views single and male no doubt saved not a chance
 

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Struggling to believe a Christian actually wrote this. I can only suggest the op keep well way from women and the idea of marriage for the sake of all that is holy and good.

I cannot judge you. I have no idea what experiences have caused such an attitude to develop, but I pray the Lord helps you to develop some humility and appreciation for the God installed desires men and women have.

I know we all have some tendency to weak egos in Some way, so I will simply say May God forgive us all for our self righteous thoughts and unwarranted judgemental biases of other humans and give us hearts of genuine love.
 

Yahshua

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Everyone has their path to walk as we all strive to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Master and Savior. No one is instantly complete upon confession. We all bring wounds of our past lives from the world that must be healed. Doesn't mean he's not a believer.

I sense tremendous frustration behind his words.

This conversation may have been best held in a males-only subforum.
 

SoulWeaver

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Everyone has their path to walk as we all strive to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Master and Savior. No one is instantly complete upon confession. We all bring wounds of our past lives from the world that must be healed. Doesn't mean he's not a believer.

I sense tremendous frustration behind his words.

This conversation may have been best held in a males-only subforum.
Unfortunately there's no such, although many of us "lobbied" for the guys to get a forum just for themselves. No one here thinks converts are instantly perfect. It's really not about whether anyone here thinks if the OP is saved or not and that's not why I asked. He answers to Jesus, not to any of us. But his posts really make no sense in the context of loving one another. If he resents and holds in contempt fellow humans in this way, even fellow believers, I really wonder what has his Christian experience been? What does Jesus teach him? How did his life and outlook on life change? It was an honest question. He might need a wake up call, not going to argue that he needs one, maybe he's just upset and angry right now like you said so he's not in his best frame of mind, but he MIGHT need a wake up call. 1 Jn 2:9, 1 Jn 2:11, 1 Jn 3:15, 1 Jn 4:20
 

Nehemiah6

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I have a headache.
Well the Red Pill should give you instant relief. If not try the Blue Pill.:cool:

What still amazes me is that the conservative states in America are labeled "red", while the Leftist states are labeled "blue". This is the exact opposite of what we know about the color red, and its connection to Communism. In fact Communists were called "Reds" at one time, and the Cold War never did come to an end. Witness the shenanigans of Putin since he crowned himself Czar of Russia.
 

Yahshua

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Unfortunately there's no such, although many of us "lobbied" for the guys to get a forum just for themselves. No one here thinks converts are instantly perfect. It's really not about whether anyone here thinks if the OP is saved or not and that's not why I asked. He answers to Jesus, not to any of us. But his posts really make no sense in the context of loving one another. If he resents and holds in contempt fellow humans in this way, even fellow believers, I really wonder what has his Christian experience been? What does Jesus teach him? How did his life and outlook on life change? It was an honest question. He might need a wake up call, not going to argue that he needs one, maybe he's just upset and angry right now like you said so he's not in his best frame of mind, but he MIGHT need a wake up call. 1 Jn 2:9, 1 Jn 2:11, 1 Jn 3:15, 1 Jn 4:20
A wake up call, yes perhaps...or merely an answer and guidance?

His thread's title is incendiary because women who read it know of a truth within themselves that they are indeed capable...and the men who have women who love them know it as well.

...so the very notion that women can't love a man seems ridiculous to all who've experienced it, thus many take offense at it (and all have a right to feel that way btw)...and defenses go up.

...but as I read, it seems his deeper issue/question is, "generally, why don't women love men in the same ways that men love women?" Or "can women express love to men the same ways men generally express love to women? Is it even possible?"

...and I'm sure calling the love of a man "true(r) love" (vs a woman's love) definitely didn't help things either...but I think he's getting this phrase...maybe...perhaps...from the lessons given in scripture where "there's no greater love that one who gives their life..." and "husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the church and gave his life for her"...self-sacrifice...but this instruction wasn't given in scripture to women to lay down their lives for their man.

...then you have the corruption of having relationships in this fallen world, that even many Christians fall victim to where people just take, take, take...

So the thread quickly devolved, defenses went up, and blahh..

But it doesn't feel to me like it was the OP's intention to cause conflict or to be provocative. Just going by my spirit. That's why I feel this probably shouldn't be a public discussion for sensitivity sake.
 

SoulWeaver

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A wake up call, yes perhaps...or merely an answer and guidance?

His thread's title is incendiary because women who read it know of a truth within themselves that they are indeed capable...and the men who have women who love them know it as well.

...so the very notion that women can't love a man seems ridiculous to all who've experienced it, thus many take offense at it (and all have a right to feel that way btw)...and defenses go up.

...but as I read, it seems his deeper issue/question is, "generally, why don't women love men in the same ways that men love women?" Or "can women express love to men the same ways men generally express love to women? Is it even possible?"

...and I'm sure calling the love of a man "true(r) love" (vs a woman's love) definitely didn't help things either...but I think he's getting this phrase...maybe...perhaps...from the lessons given in scripture where "there's no greater love that one who gives their life..." and "husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the church and gave his life for her"...self-sacrifice...but this instruction wasn't given in scripture to women to lay down their lives for their man.

...then you have the corruption of having relationships in this fallen world, that even many Christians fall victim to where people just take, take, take...

So the thread quickly devolved, defenses went up, and blahh..

But it doesn't feel to me like it was the OP's intention to cause conflict or to be provocative. Just going by my spirit. That's why I feel this probably shouldn't be a public discussion for sensitivity sake.
I see. You're right.
I do believe the OP's coming from a place of personal disappointment. Their conclusions could be discussed, but it's hard to take that level of prejudice in seriousness because it is, frankly, a little funny. I really don't think most of us were truly offended, for that reason. I don't see a viciously hardened heart either, most of us sensed a very young person speaking, albeit a little bitter.

Now, you're bringing something meaningful to the table with your comments.

Considering Christ and the church. Interesting point. I've been noticing over the years how people are quick to identify men as Christ and women as church. It's always somehow omitted that men also are part of the Bride. God's royal consort does not consist of women only. There are multiple examples of God addressing the whole congregation as a woman breaking wedlock, or as a beautiful bride, both men and women are lumped together and treated as "she". I think we need to better separate what is God and what is man, to assess this analogy more clearly.

You're making an interesting remark with "but this instruction wasn't given in scripture to women to lay down their lives for their man". I sat on this for a bit, because I felt positive that the Scripture suggest that the wife should respond with equal measure, even though the verse might not be as obvious. I looked a bit through the Scripture, and I found this. It seems directed to both men and women.

1 John 3:16 By this we know what love is: Jesus laid down His life for us, and we [mixed audience] ought [ought. Not a matter of "we should" or "it would be nice"] to lay down our lives for our brothers [ADELPHON, fellow Christians, not gender specific].
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he [AUTOU, "self, he, she, it, they, them, same" in Greek] lay down his life for his [autou] friends.

If for friends and brethren, how much more for a spouse. Now, the OP might not believe that there was ever a woman who did that. But regardless of that, I take it that women are to do the same. Now, why would that not be in the same context.

I think the verse about lying one's life down like Christ, in discussion about marriage, is to be understood in its context. The opening statement is "submit one to another". I think in context this example is a premonition against a gender unique temptation. And I will note that I say this very, VERY carefully, in an absolutely generalized way, and in the context of Paul's societal structure and its typical roles, in the times where things were still governed by brute strength. But this is generally what I mean: the ones who are "stronger" have temptation unique to "the stronger" to use their power to lord over and force their way. For the parallel reason, woman is told to submit, because of unique temptation of one who is "weaker" when forcefully subdued (which women were back in the day), to seek cunning ways to overthrow. God doesn't want oppressive, mistrustful, competitive or hostile unity like this, on either end. Imagine if organs in the body forced or backstabbed one another in this way, we would be dead. It isn't conducive to life. But bottom line, this is one and the same temptation - to have one's own way - just taking a different face in different societal roles.
 
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Just a broad discussion about these topics. Before we begin to clarify nobody is truly capable of selfless sacrificial unconditional love 24/7 besides god.

Nowhere in the bible are woman instructed to love their husbands from proper translations. Why? Are they truly incapable of love over the long term?

70-80% of Divorces are initiated by woman, why? incapable of true love?

Some issues with most Red Pill's usual argument. Women want to protect their offspring therefor they are incapable of truly loving a man. Which makes the argument pretty stupid, as of course a man would choose their child over the wife also. Meaning the same argument can be applied to man.

Do woman choose to love out of free will or are they a slave to their emotions? As long as you keep hitting the right psychological switches she will remain "on" and in love, as soon as you stop they fall out of "love". Hence the I don't know honey "I just don't love you anymore"

Are man more capable of delivering longer bursts of unconditional love than woman, to the point where majority of relationships are doomed if a man doesn't keep the fire alive? You always read the studies men are really the ones with idealistic ideas of romantic love (think romance movies), they take way longer to get over a break up if ever, they don't initiate nearly as many divorces.

Seems like if the man isn't actively trying to keep the relationship alive, majority of woman just let it die or put in minimum amounts of effort and just give up. Whereas a man can be discontent for a very prolonged period of time and still not give up.

Obviously we are speaking about the 1% of both sexes, as we know majority man and woman don't even have an ounce of love to give to others. It just seems like even the "good" girls seem to try to get into relationships based on getting something from someone whether emotionally, stability, financially wise.

Whereas "good" man get into relationships based on I want to provide things to another person and just out of sheer companionship.

Obviously you also have stories of woman who have endured a lot from men, out of true love or duty?

I know my grandmother was the "perfect" wife in those days standards, cooked cleaned never cheated ect, but she never loved my grandfather, she just did it out of duty because that's what she was supposed to do.

Anyway thoughts are appreciated, and hopefully they are biblical and scientific, not overly reliant on anecdotal evidence of past experience.
I think you have it backward; God did not command woman to love her husband because in her nature she is a nurturer and by default loves him. He commands her to respect him because that is contrary to her nature.
God however commands men to love their wives because men are horrible at love, it's not in our nature.
I appears toe that you are failing to understand women and nature and what we have culturally conditioned women to do by our abuses.
Women who don't love naturally are injured usually by men who have failed in their role. Yes we men in our failure to live our women have scorned them quite awfully, and we bear the result of our sin in scornful women. So man up and be the man God called us to be not what the idiot culture nor what the stupid misunderstanding that the churches have taught, but rather what the Bible actually teaches. Expect resistance because we have been wrong for a very long time, and getting right comes at a price.
 
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Because giving birth to and raising children does not entail giving anything of yourself? smh.
I think the role of Mother is so epically important, possibly the most important role on earth, wife also ultimately valuable. It's a horrible sin that we have committed against women to devalue their God given role. There is a terrible abuse men have committed by abusing women by abdicating our proper God given role. Even worse to abuse that role in such a way that we tyrannically terrorized women. Our modern cultural issues flow out from this very sin, and the church was complicit.
 
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Oblivious denial of reality quite funny to read. Can’t find any actual arguments so let’s attack the person because I’m such a holier than thou Pharisee.

50% of you will be divorced, 80% of those divorces will be initiated by WOMAN.

Don’t worry though man / woman have the same capacity of love obviously in bizarro world.
 
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Have you ever been in a room where a woman is giving birth? I have been. My sister has two boys. You'll never understand the suffering a woman goes through just to bring a child into this world. And then to feed and clothe and care for that child till they are of age. Sit up nights, nursing a fever or a stomach flu. Helping them with school, taking them to school and extra activities. No, see that's an act of selfless love that you're too immature to understand. Women who abort their children, those are the selfish ones. God richly bless every mother who brought their child into the world and cared for them till they were of age. No, mothers are not selfish for bringing children into the world. They are doing what the Lord intended, bringing up another generation of Godly young men and women who will go out and turn the world upside down for Him.
Nice troll the topic is can woman love husbands men, not children.