Replacement theology.

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Ok, you're the person who says God haters supersede God's chosen people.... I think you're the one who needs to reexamine your position.
I have no idea what your are referring to . I think this will be a end to our conversation as it has brought me to the end of my patients.
 
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I have no idea what your are referring to . I think this will be a end to our conversation as it has brought me to the end of my patients.
Ok you can end conversation if you like but this is what I was referring to.

Well my friend if you believe that the church supersedes Israel in any way that's what it entails.

You seem to be closed minded to the truth.....really. Ought to reexamine your position.
You seemed to think I needed re-examine my position because I believe Israel is, was and always has been people who love God.

My reply to you was to point out that people who hate God aren’t included in that group. In other words, the Jews that hated God aren’t the Israel of God.
 
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Chill? Conclusions?

You just proved my conclusions were correct. So you chill my friend

David when repenting if his sin stated. Sacrifice and burnt offerings you did not desire (speaking to God). The author of Hebrews stated the blood of bulls and goats has never taken away sin
he also stated the priests year after year
continue on and doing the very thing which could Never save anyone
face it man. Your wrong. No one was ever saved by the law and no one ever will be saved by law

Tell me to chill. Ha.
the Chill was for the accusation that I am calling the author of Hebrews a liar

I am asking you once again not to anticipate revelation. Place yourself in the shoes of a Jew born in the Old Testament period who live after mount Sinai and before Christ came for israel

What would you have learned from the law of Moses on how to approach God?

Do you find it hard to do that?
 
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People read between the lines.

Abraham was saved by believing God and it was counted to him as righteousness.


The Jews were saved by believing God and it was counted to them as righteousness.

We are saved by believing God and it was counted to us as righteousness.
Every group throughout history have been given THEIR THING to believe.

The Jews weren’t told to do what God told Abraham to do, we are not told to what the Jews were told to do.
Amen that is progressive revelation.

That is why we don’t build an ark like Noah was commanded to do, Nor do we hide spies like what rahab did.

God sees that as showing faith in him
 
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You are being deliberately obtuse. I posted Matthew 27:51-53 which shows those who are resurrected following the Lord's three days of interment. If you cannot put a very basic 1+1 together, then I'm afraid that there is very little more I can do here. Here it is again below, just in case you missed it the first time. Did you miss the one about what true sacrifice to the Lord is also?

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
that passage never stated what you are claiming

And I have already stated for you acts 2:34, David had not ascended to heaven

If He was among those saints resurrected then, he would have gone back to sleep again
 
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Well my friend if you believe that the church supersedes Israel in any way that's what it entails.

You seem to be closed minded to the truth.....really. Ought to reexamine your position.
His argument is tautological, he define Israel as all those who believe in God
 
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His argument is tautological, he define Israel as all those who believe in God
No I don't define Israel as all those who believe, the bible defines Israel as all those who believe.
Read the verses below and explain to me how someone who doesn't obey God's voice and keep his covenant are God's peculiar treasure, a kingdom of priests and an holy nation.

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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the Chill was for the accusation that I am calling the author of Hebrews a liar
You did, and do,

I am asking you once again not to anticipate revelation. Place yourself in the shoes of a Jew born in the Old Testament period who live after mount Sinai and before Christ came for israel

What would you have learned from the law of Moses on how to approach God?

Do you find it hard to do that?
I have done that, and I have seen that moses required perfection. And I have failed, I also know that no sacrifice can take away my sin, like David understood

you want me to imagine something not true

you want me to imagine I could earn my salvation

well that’s the mistake the pharisee made, seems you are just like the,
 
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You did, and do,



I have done that, and I have seen that moses required perfection. And I have failed, I also know that no sacrifice can take away my sin, like David understood

you want me to imagine something not true

you want me to imagine I could earn my salvation

well that’s the mistake the pharisee made, seems you are just like the,
Would you have use animal sacrifices for your sins you committed?
 
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No I don't define Israel as all those who believe, the bible defines Israel as all those who believe.
Read the verses below and explain to me how someone who doesn't obey God's voice and keep his covenant are God's peculiar treasure, a kingdom of priests and an holy nation.

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Well we are also by definition, always the protagonist, from our point of view.

So its understandable that we think what we believe in is also "naturally" what the Bible is also saying.

As for those who disagree with us the protagonist, they are, also by definition, the antagonist, so they would naturally be twisting the Bible, unlike us. ;)
 
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Well we are also by definition, always the protagonist, from our point of view.

So its understandable that we think what we believe in is also "naturally" what the Bible is also saying.

As for those who disagree with us the protagonist, they are also by definition, the antagonist, so they also naturally be twisting the Bible, unlike us. ;)
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

What is this saying?
 
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Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

What is this saying?
To me, it is saying that God is giving them, the nation of Israel, a conditional covenant.

If they obey the conditions of that covenant, they will be a holy nation.

That's all it is saying, literally.
 
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To me, it is saying that God is giving them, the nation of Israel, a conditional covenant.

If they obey the conditions of that covenant, they will be a holy nation.

That's all it is saying, literally.
So are the Jews who don’t obey the conditions of the covenant Gods Holy nation?
 

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Well it couldbe
but improved to you using gen 17 in that case it is not so
Christ did not live do 400 years in Egypt
He didn't have to, because this

"Iknow has ye are Abraham's seed" vs "If ye were Abraham's children" Jn.8:37,39

is what you're blind to.
 
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So are the Jews who don’t obey the conditions of the covenant Gods Holy nation?
When they die, they will not be placed in Paradise, like what Jesus explained in Luke 16:19-31

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

But the nation of Israel remains a nation, and the Body of Christ is always separate from that nation.

Currently, she is not a holy nation, she has fallen (Romans 11:11), but a nation she remains.
 
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When they die, they will not be placed in Paradise, like what Jesus explained in Luke 16:19-31

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

But the nation of Israel remains a nation, and the Body of Christ is always separate from that nation.

Currently, she is not a holy nation, she has fallen (Romans 11:11), but a nation she remains.
Yes I agree Israel was a nation but they weren’t the peculiar people and Holy nation that God chose.