ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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here is a very simple, straightforward answer, and this goes for any vaccine- if the vaccine is effective, and you take it and i do not, then why are you concerned about being around me?

if you got the vaccine, then you you should be safe, and have no concerns, right?
See I completely agree with that logic. If I can get vaccinated and be immune why do I care if you don't. You are not going to hurt me. I think it has to do with infecting people who can't get vaccinated, or maybe an effort to produce the herd immunity which requires about 70% participation.
 

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See I completely agree with that logic. If I can get vaccinated and be immune why do I care if you don't. You are not going to hurt me. I think it has to do with infecting people who can't get vaccinated, or maybe an effort to produce the herd immunity which requires about 70% participation.
foe once, we agree.
 
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here is a very simple, straightforward answer, and this goes for any vaccine- if the vaccine is effective, and you take it and i do not, then why are you concerned about being around me?

if you got the vaccine, then you you should be safe, and have no concerns, right?
I found this:
Some people ask the question, “If vaccines work, why do unvaccinated people present a risk to those who have been vaccinated?” Two simple facts contribute to this answer. First: Vaccines aren’t 100 percent effective. So even some people who are vaccinated will still be at risk. Second: The greater the number of unvaccinated people in a community, the more opportunity germs have to spread. This means outbreaks are more difficult to stem and everyone is at greater risk of exposure — including vaccinated people.

This latter concept is known as community immunity, or more commonly, herd immunity. Each member of the community contributes to the collective health of the community because the way a pathogen survives is by finding new people to infect. The fewer susceptible people in a community, the less opportunity the pathogen has to spread.

Interestingly, people often do not think about the fact that there are times when every family needs the protection of their community. New babies and infants may be too young to be vaccinated, and older adults or adults being treated for illnesses may be more susceptible to infections as well.

So I was on the right trail. I was thinking about kids whos' parents don't vaccinate them that are healthy today because most other kids were vaccinated from viruses that required hosts and therefore have all but gone extinct. Their parents think it is because they feed their kids healthy foods but the virus don't care about that, they are safe because the virus went extinct in their part of the world due to vaccinated hosts (other kids.) Until too many parents believed antivaxxer rhetoric and after 20 years the virus found a foot hold in the many unvaccinated kids in a school and community and began to spread again.

So should we care about these unvaccinated kids who get sick and die? Should we just say, "that's on them" It is their right to be unvaccinated? Well yes if they make the choice, but do the kids make that choice? It is the parents that are choosing for them and this is criminal in my opinion. We care about babies in the womb but not 1 year olds with whooping cough because the parents dont believe in vaccines? Is the parent that lets a child die of whooping cough because they refused the vaccine as guilty as the parent that aborts the baby?
 

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See I completely agree with that logic. If I can get vaccinated and be immune why do I care if you don't. You are not going to hurt me. I think it has to do with infecting people who can't get vaccinated, or maybe an effort to produce the herd immunity which requires about 70% participation.
And why do you think anyone would want to prevent or suppress an effort to produce herd immunity?

It happens to be THE best "answer" to this whole mess.

You absolutely cannot do any better than herd immunity that is based on our natural immune systems.
 
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And why do you think anyone would want to prevent or suppress an effort to produce herd immunity?

It happens to be THE best "answer" to this whole mess.

You absolutely cannot do any better than herd immunity that is based on our natural immune systems.
Vaccines produce herd immunity by denying the virus a host to multiply in. If 70% get the vaccine we will obtain herd immunity after a few years.

We have a year of world wide data to digest for predicting herd immunity of COVID-19. There is no reason to think that herd immunity without a vaccine will happen. Millions will die every year for decades. There is now more and more cases of people having recovered and then being infected again. This is the first year and we have to wait and see how many recover get it again after 6 months or a year and if that is to be the cycle from now on like a yearly flu but with a 2% mortality rate. If that is the case, which is probable, then we are no more closer to herd immunity of COVID 19 than we are the flu. Who wants to accept 1 million a year US deaths (my conservative estimate) and massive hospitalizations as a way of life if a vaccine can produce herd immunity.

I just don't think herd immunity by everyone getting sick and getting over it is looking realistic. The cost is too high and may not even be possible.
 
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DOES MY EMPLOYER HAVE TO SAY IF A COWORKER HAS THE CORONAVIRUS?

"While there is nothing that says it's illegal" for an employer to have mandatory vaccination program, that doesn't mean it isn't a thorny, thorny road."

However, every mandatory program will have to take into consideration other aspects of employment laws, Marris said, which she predicts will result in various accommodation requests.

Two major exemptions that are going to come into play are religious exemptions and ones related to disability.

Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a sincerely held religious belief can serve as the basis for a religious exemption.

"In the context of a vaccine, an employee could ask for an exemption to a mandatory vaccination on the basis of religion," Marris said, adding that the employer is then required to consider whether the accommodation can be granted. In this case, this may mean remote work or social distancing.

However, if the employer doesn’t grant the accommodation "they have to prove that the accommodation poses an undue hardship on the company."

Secondly, employers have to take into consideration the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA).

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifesty...uire-you-to-get-a-covid-vaccine-to-go-to-work
 

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So we have Obama, Clinton, and Bush, who are going to prove to the nation that the vaccine is just peachy keen, by supposedly injecting the poison on camera.
The key word here is 'supposedly' - how are we to know that it is not some [placebo] instead?
 
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The key word here is 'supposedly' - how are we to know that it is not some [placebo] instead?
If they get a mild fever about 7 hours later. :)
 

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Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:


  • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
  • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
  • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
  • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.
 

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Our small county in the Florida panhandle has had six deaths from covid19 since Dec 1. Five of these were over 65. Starting today, we will be providing Bamlanivimab infusions to all who test positive, and are presenting symptoms. I hope that this is being done nation wide.

On proof of vaccine cards. I see no problem with them. I got a card with the info about my arterial stints, and my epilepsy medications. Mama has a card with the info on her knee replacement parts. We also have vaccination cards from military days. My doctor has a record of vaccinations since 1980. Proof of cards aren't going to send anyone to hell, but they come in handy when you need the info.
 
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Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:


  • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
  • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
  • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
  • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.
Interesting.

Is it just a theory of his? There is nothing to suggest it has happened in the article, just that he thinks it must be ruled out. Isn't that what testing 40K is about? He seems to be suggesting to stop testing. Then how would you be able to rule it out? If there were any such cases would they not halt it and would it not get approved. Hopefully more information is forthcoming from other scientists in response.
 
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Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:


  • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
  • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
  • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
  • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.
Now this is very useful information. If it is legit, and it seems to be as far as I can tell so far, and if Dr. Yeadon and Wodarg thinks that there is a possible problem that is not going to be identified by the current testing reporting methods being used it should be exposed.
 
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Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:


  • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
  • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
  • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
  • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.
OK,... this makes more sense now. Logic makes you wonder why they would want to stop testing that is has already been going on for over 120,000 people if you take all of the different testing groups for ALL vaccines they are saying should be stopped.
Turns out this Yeadon cat has not worked for Pfyzer for 9 years and is on record for saying other stupid things.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-pfizer-employee-wrong-coronavirus-pandemic-/
 
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may i disagree, and say that the vaccine is not the mark of the beast ?
the mark is a microchip, and/or the the three digit number.
according to revelation, we will know what the mark is.
and like the plagues in the old testament, the end times will be far worse than this covid pandemic ..
 
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may i disagree, and say that the vaccine is not the mark of the beast ?
the mark is a microchip, and/or the the three digit number.
according to revelation, we will know what the mark is.
and like the plagues in the old testament, the end times will be far worse than this covid pandemic ..
No one knows exactly what the mark will look like. Technology is always changing. Some kind of tattoo that uses special ink could do the job of marking people for others to see and our guessing about it being hidden could be all wrong.
I doubt that it is just a straight up 666 because that does not require "he that has understanding to count the number of the beast" I am guessing like everyone else, but I see a riddle here. "Life to the image of the beast" This beast has a number that can be counted. The number is the number of a man. The worship of the image will be involved. It will be a forced worship.
I can't help but suspect radical muslims since we live in a day when they are actually murdering people who don't convert and would there are actually millions of them that would welcome a leader who does the same.

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 

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No. Our heavenly father will not allow his children to be deceived in this way. The mark will be something that is chosen. This fear mongering treats God like he is weak. He is the great I Am and no force will separate Him from those who are his.
It's not fear-mongering - it's WARNING. The pastor of our bible study is taking the vaccine as are my friends. Is it "fear-mongering" to try to warn others?

That being said - I do grasp what you're saying: God is ultimately in control. I just wondered if we should have prepared more. I know a Christian who built a cabin in the mountains for this. We have not prepared much because my husband is uninformed.
 

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Yeah, the Mark will be a choice.
A vaccine is something a parent would give a child and they would have no choice, which means the Mark can't be a vaccine or many innocent children will be lost (Revelation 14:9-10).
But I do think the masks and vaccine is a prelude to forcing something more sinister. These are tests to see how much we'll comply.
The patent for the quantum dot showing that you received the vaccine is 060606. That tells me an awful lot.
 

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Neither the virus nor the vaccine is from hell.

Viruses are from the corruption that came into nature when sin came into creation from Adams fall.

The vaccine is an attempt to Subdue and take dominion over hostile things in nature. (Gen 2) We believe we have the responsibility to take dominion and subdue, lions, tigers and bears, and not let them eat our children. We also have the responsibility to subdue hostile life forms like viruses that are very tiny and are intent on infecting our cells. God has given us the knowledge to defeat them and test the vaccines for safety. Once documented, tested and approved, we can take the vaccine and it helps our own immune system defeat the virus. This is reason to give God praise for giving us a solution that is safe and effective in defeating a deadly virus.

Now if satan and his demons (pit of hell) is involved in this it would be to tell people crazy lies that it is unsafe, or will track them, or give them the mark of the beast, hoping that such misinformation would make them not take the vaccine so that if they do get the virus, that they just might be one of the ones who go critical ill for a month or more and die of pneumonia.

You see (the pit of hell) or satan and his demons want to kill you. If they were not held back by chains of darkness so that they are not able to cross over into the physical realm but have to use influences we would already be dead. But satan has to use people to do stupid things such as kill one another or tell people to not take a vaccine and thereby result in your death.

Now That would be from the pit of hell. And that antivaxxer is the tool of satan and on the way to the Lake of Fire for being a liar. Especially if they know they are lying but do it anyway and the kind of insane things that are being said about the vaccine from antivaxxers can only be said by someone who is either clinically insane or a willful wicked liar from the pit of hell.

So if you want to warn your brothers and sisters, please warn them not to be a willful liar and not to be ignorant and believe a belligerent idiot on a youtube rant instead of reading over the scientific data being published by the developers and the observers of the development of the vaccines and the safety testing of 40,000 volunteers for each vaccine. Ignoring that data and making up lies is a sin. And all liars will have their part IN THE LAKE OF FIRE. That is what you should warn them of. Get your head right people.
You scare me. Weren't you the one urging people on here to take the vaccine? I read that disinformation agents were placed on the internet to try to deceive. Either that or you're deceived yourself. Satan was a very adept speaker, and his lies sounded very well-reasoned and articulate. Something that was subtle, something that began with "Yea hath God said..." "You will surely not die!..."

A family member is a microbiologist and is refusing the vaccine. So much for your trying to convince others of "scientific proofs" when a scientist won't take it. I know of two health care workers who are refusing it. There IS no rational science behind closing the country down and pushing vaccines for a common FLU virus - the name of which you can find on any bottle of Clorox spray disinfectant.
 
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