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throughfaith

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You ducked my question. It is your right to do so, but then the conversation is likely to end. And I know exactly why you will not answer. It is because the whole context of Philippians 1:12-26 is about Paul's physical life - whether he lives or dies. It starts with the assurance to the saints who were praying for him that he reckons that he'll escape death. But that in the event of death for preaching Christ, he has "gain". And he ends this section predicting that he will come to them again. That is, the prayers would be effectual.

Chapter 2:1-13 leads the Philippian Believer through what Christ DID - His works. Verse 12 starts with "wherefore", indicating that the CONCLUSION of what our Lord did is that the Believer must have the same CHARACTERISTICS. For God's purpose Christ laid aside His position and possession. Likewise must the Believer lay aside his old nature and desires and be transformed, changed, metamorphosed, for God testimony so, "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world" .

This has nothing to do with the salvation from God's wrath, the Lake of Fire and eternal life. It is the "salvation" from an Adamic DISPOSITION to a Christlike DISPOSITION. This is God's plan with us AFTER we are saved (Rom.8:29).

Verse 16 then transmits the warning; "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain." IMPLIED is that some Christians will NOT rejoice in the day they stand before Christ to give an account of themselves. IMPLIED is that some WILL run in vain. IMPLIED is that some Christians will have laboured in vain. In Matthew 7:21-23 we Christians who knew the Lord, who were empowered to cast out demons, who were empowered to do many wondrous works in Jesus' Name. But they labored in vain. Not that they go to the Lake of Fire, or lose their standing as Believers, but that they may not partake of the joys and fame of Christ's Millennial Kingdom.

I have visited a famous tourist site - the Rhine Falls on the Swiss/German border. Nothing compared to Niagara or the Victoria falls, but impressive for the tourist visiting Central Europe. Above the Rhine falls is a turret that overlooks the falls and which has colored lead-glass windows. You can see the falls in yellow, red, blue and green, if my memory serves me. That is what you do with scripture. You have a predetermined color. Somebody put an idea into your head and you entertain it. We all have this phenomena when we start off studying so vast a Book as the Bible. But now is the time to set aside the colored view and read what is said, not what you think "Paul is trying to say".

Language is God given to transmit ideas. It has rules, and the first rule is; "Be true to the words written or said". Do not approach them with a preconceived idea. Wipe the slate of your memory. Read Philippians Chapters 1, 2 and 3 as they are. Add nothing and subtract nothing. You will be mightily helped to see that a SAVED man like Paul, who is talking to SAVED Believers of a Church, does not preach the message of SALVATION of Ephesian 2:8. He preaches the message of 2nd Peter 1:4-11 - sanctification! SALVATION from an intrinsic fallen nature and and the process of CONFORMITY with Christ's heavenly and godly nature (Rom.8:29, 12:2; 2nd Cor.3:18).

HE PREACHES WHAT A MAN MUST BE SAVED FROM AFTER HE BELIEVES. Jail, torture, famine, ill health, lies, slander and defamation, dishonesty, laziness, sexual immorality, drunkenness, slothfulness, covetousness, greed, love of money and losing your first love. THESE are some of the things we, who are already saved, need to be SAVED from.
Respectfully we disagree . I'm amazed you can't see the ' for the furtherance of the Gospel ' As that theme is all over phil . I believe this is Paul's main point . Yes there are verses that mention thier conduct, but this is still aimed at the ' furtherance of the Gospel' . The only warning in this letter is to beware of the circumcision. There's no real doctrinal issues . But there ' furthering on the Gospel ' needs WORK . I believe your view actually is contrary to the whole point of ' minding the things of others ' , selflessness . Your focus is about you and your walk . This is the opposite of what Paul is encouraging them to do .
And Mat 7 Jesus NEVER knew these false prophets.
 

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21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE .
22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
You should have included verse 24. The Jews and Greeks in verse 23 are called, They are babes in Christ that are hindered in their spiritual growth by requiring a sign, and seeking after wisdom, Verse 27, But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things that are mighty. Verse 29, That no flesh should glory in his presence. Many are called, but few chosen. The wheel within a wheel. The wide gate and the straight gate. The elect and the very elect. The whole flock and the little flock. The remnant and the whole. etc.
 

throughfaith

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You should have included verse 24. The Jews and Greeks in verse 23 are called, They are babes in Christ that are hindered in their spiritual growth by requiring a sign, and seeking after wisdom, Verse 27, But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things that are mighty. Verse 29, That no flesh should glory in his presence. Many are called, but few chosen. The wheel within a wheel. The wide gate and the straight gate. The elect and the very elect. The whole flock and the little flock. The remnant and the whole. etc.
If i were to go to a website ,or a teacher, even a book recommendation where would you point me ? That believes what you believe ? its great if you have thought of these things. I've just not come across this teaching??
 
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Respectfully we disagree . I'm amazed you can't see the ' for the furtherance of the Gospel ' As that theme is all over phil . I believe this is Paul's main point . Yes there are verses that mention thier conduct, but this is still aimed at the ' furtherance of the Gospel' . The only warning in this letter is to beware of the circumcision. There's no real doctrinal issues . But there ' furthering on the Gospel ' needs WORK . I believe your view actually is contrary to the whole point of ' minding the things of others ' , selflessness . Your focus is about you and your walk . This is the opposite of what Paul is encouraging them to do .
And Mat 7 Jesus NEVER knew these false prophets.
Your reply is read and noted. Thanks for the exchange.
 

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If i were to go to a website ,or a teacher, even a book recommendation where would you point me ? That believes what you believe ? its great if you have thought of these things. I've just not come across this teaching??
Type in "Primitive Baptist Articles of Faith".
 

ForestGreenCook

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If i were to go to a website ,or a teacher, even a book recommendation where would you point me ? That believes what you believe ? its great if you have thought of these things. I've just not come across this teaching??
Did you pull up the website that I gave you?