If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?
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interesting, that was NKJV i quoted. i looked but couldn't find justification for the KJV to use future tense for what is a perfect/imperfect tense series of verbs.
but once again, your reply is not at all answering my question, not even addressing it a little bit.
do you think Ezekiel 28 is showing Satan was cast from heaven for failing to observe sabbath?
i'm not seeing that in the text, no matter what translation i look at.
but once again, your reply is not at all answering my question, not even addressing it a little bit.
do you think Ezekiel 28 is showing Satan was cast from heaven for failing to observe sabbath?
i'm not seeing that in the text, no matter what translation i look at.
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"Sunday Keepers" also fail to grasp this. People who prefer to worship on the day that is told in Genesis is the day that God gave a special blessing to for our sakes are following the Lord's direction. "Sunday Keepers" have no right to judge and make fun of people who do this.
The very fact that they are so up in arms over these people wanting to keep Sabbath holy is against scripture. They are judging when they are told not to judge, and they are trying to stand in the way of people's way of worshipping the Lord.
The very fact that they are so up in arms over these people wanting to keep Sabbath holy is against scripture. They are judging when they are told not to judge, and they are trying to stand in the way of people's way of worshipping the Lord.
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well according to KJV i guess Satan hasn't been cast out of heaven yet, either??
however Jesus 'beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven' ((Luke 10:18)) :usure:
still not seeing how you think this shows the decalogue came before the Bible said it did ((430 years after Abraham, see Galatians 3)) -- can i get some explanation on that? this verse is describing vainglory, not trespass of a commandment. unless the commandment is 'thou shalt not boast in thy beauty & brightness' -- which doesn't happen to be one of the 10 commandments.
interestingly enough God says the reason He gave Israel sabbath was to teach them that it is Him who sanctifies them ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12 - He says it twice because He knows we're stupid & slow of heart to understand, so we need that reinforced)). so if you think that you sanctify yourself ((for example, reaching heaven by obedience to selective letters of the law)), you're profaning the sabbath.
this means that if you think you are approving yourself before God by keeping sabbath, you're only showing yourself more sinful. the sabbath is demonstrating to you that you cannot keep it by trying to keep it, in a sense. as Paul wrote: the purpose of the law being given was to make sin all the more sinful ((Romans 7:13)) -- the just live by faith, and the righteousness to be attained is the righteousness that is not of ourselves. sanctification is His work, not ours: it was to teach this to Israel that He gave them these commands. it's written to be still, and know He is God: how is stillness showing that He is God?
maybe take your sabbath to meditate on that
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,
thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground,
I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
(Ezekiel 28:17 KJV)
(Ezekiel 28:17 KJV)
however Jesus 'beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven' ((Luke 10:18)) :usure:
still not seeing how you think this shows the decalogue came before the Bible said it did ((430 years after Abraham, see Galatians 3)) -- can i get some explanation on that? this verse is describing vainglory, not trespass of a commandment. unless the commandment is 'thou shalt not boast in thy beauty & brightness' -- which doesn't happen to be one of the 10 commandments.
interestingly enough God says the reason He gave Israel sabbath was to teach them that it is Him who sanctifies them ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12 - He says it twice because He knows we're stupid & slow of heart to understand, so we need that reinforced)). so if you think that you sanctify yourself ((for example, reaching heaven by obedience to selective letters of the law)), you're profaning the sabbath.
this means that if you think you are approving yourself before God by keeping sabbath, you're only showing yourself more sinful. the sabbath is demonstrating to you that you cannot keep it by trying to keep it, in a sense. as Paul wrote: the purpose of the law being given was to make sin all the more sinful ((Romans 7:13)) -- the just live by faith, and the righteousness to be attained is the righteousness that is not of ourselves. sanctification is His work, not ours: it was to teach this to Israel that He gave them these commands. it's written to be still, and know He is God: how is stillness showing that He is God?
maybe take your sabbath to meditate on that
i'm certainly not against anyone trying to keep sabbath. what i am against is anyone trying to judge the believers over sabbaths. Colossians is pretty clear about that.
i think people start making all kinds of crazy claims about scripture on this topic that simply aren't defensible or true. my interest in this thread is clearing some of those up and trying to reason with everyone not to create divisions over it, bitterly condemning people from some kind of false view of the actual gospel.
i think people start making all kinds of crazy claims about scripture on this topic that simply aren't defensible or true. my interest in this thread is clearing some of those up and trying to reason with everyone not to create divisions over it, bitterly condemning people from some kind of false view of the actual gospel.
"Saturday keepers" also have no right to judge and make fun of people who practice differently than they do.
Look at who is starting the threads. It isn't those who worship on Sunday; rather, it is those who think they are keeping the Sabbath according to the old covenant. I suggest you read Romans 2:21-23. You have no right to complain about arguments that you initiate.
Look at who is starting the threads. It isn't those who worship on Sunday; rather, it is those who think they are keeping the Sabbath according to the old covenant. I suggest you read Romans 2:21-23. You have no right to complain about arguments that you initiate.
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I agree we are not to judge based on the day a person believes in going to church. But the old covenant does not tell people what day to go to church. And I didn't start this thread. The threads I start are scripture based.
Have you thought about whether you are judging others or not? I have often pleaded with you to stop judging others and please discuss scripture instead.
Have you thought about whether you are judging others or not? I have often pleaded with you to stop judging others and please discuss scripture instead.
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That is what my computer Said about the Sabbath, when I look it it up' and the BIBLE, and I think that I have give enough proof to sink a Battleship, AND most of it was BIBLE SCRIPTURES, that you all was fussing with, Just like yesterday when I sent some SCRIPTURES, Another Man said to those to those on here that I sent SCRIPTUREs And they was fussing with the SCRIPTURES, And HE wanted to know what they was fussing about because what I sent was SCRIPTURES.
Perhaps you don't understand the nature of a discussion board: you post your point, others respond with theirs. Just because you have posted something doesn't mean that it stands forever irrefutable. Your points have been refuted repeatedly. Just because you posted Scriptures doesn't mean you have made a strong and coherent case for your position. Nobody is "fussing" with what the Scriptures say; they are taking issue with your interpretation of the Scriptures.
THE BIBLE interprets it's self. the only way to interpret the BIBLE, is to FIND other SCRIPTURES that GO WITH IT,Other then that, we are most likely going to be miss lead by the by Satan,
JER 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? Our filling will deceive us
JER 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? Our filling will deceive us
Do you think that the new covenant was a cancellation of the blessing God gave the seventh day?
Genesis 2:3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.
Instead of trying to dictate to others about the day they go to church, suggesting the ones who go to church on
Sunday are somehow better, posting better posts, etc. that those who go to church on Saturday, tell us what you think about a scripture passage.
Genesis 2:3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.
Instead of trying to dictate to others about the day they go to church, suggesting the ones who go to church on
Sunday are somehow better, posting better posts, etc. that those who go to church on Saturday, tell us what you think about a scripture passage.
well according to KJV i guess Satan hasn't been cast out of heaven yet, either??
however Jesus 'beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven' ((Luke 10:18)) :usure:
still not seeing how you think this shows the decalogue came before the Bible said it did ((430 years after Abraham, see Galatians 3)) -- can i get some explanation on that? this verse is describing vainglory, not trespass of a commandment. unless the commandment is 'thou shalt not boast in thy beauty & brightness' -- which doesn't happen to be one of the 10 commandments.
interestingly enough God says the reason He gave Israel sabbath was to teach them that it is Him who sanctifies them ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12 - He says it twice because He knows we're stupid & slow of heart to understand, so we need that reinforced)). so if you think that you sanctify yourself ((for example, reaching heaven by obedience to selective letters of the law)), you're profaning the sabbath.
this means that if you think you are approving yourself before God by keeping sabbath, you're only showing yourself more sinful. the sabbath is demonstrating to you that you cannot keep it by trying to keep it, in a sense. as Paul wrote: the purpose of the law being given was to make sin all the more sinful ((Romans 7:13)) -- the just live by faith, and the righteousness to be attained is the righteousness that is not of ourselves. sanctification is His work, not ours: it was to teach this to Israel that He gave them these commands. it's written to be still, and know He is God: how is stillness showing that He is God?
maybe take your sabbath to meditate on that
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,
thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground,
I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
(Ezekiel 28:17 KJV)
however Jesus 'beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven' ((Luke 10:18)) :usure:
still not seeing how you think this shows the decalogue came before the Bible said it did ((430 years after Abraham, see Galatians 3)) -- can i get some explanation on that? this verse is describing vainglory, not trespass of a commandment. unless the commandment is 'thou shalt not boast in thy beauty & brightness' -- which doesn't happen to be one of the 10 commandments.
interestingly enough God says the reason He gave Israel sabbath was to teach them that it is Him who sanctifies them ((Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12 - He says it twice because He knows we're stupid & slow of heart to understand, so we need that reinforced)). so if you think that you sanctify yourself ((for example, reaching heaven by obedience to selective letters of the law)), you're profaning the sabbath.
this means that if you think you are approving yourself before God by keeping sabbath, you're only showing yourself more sinful. the sabbath is demonstrating to you that you cannot keep it by trying to keep it, in a sense. as Paul wrote: the purpose of the law being given was to make sin all the more sinful ((Romans 7:13)) -- the just live by faith, and the righteousness to be attained is the righteousness that is not of ourselves. sanctification is His work, not ours: it was to teach this to Israel that He gave them these commands. it's written to be still, and know He is God: how is stillness showing that He is God?
maybe take your sabbath to meditate on that
Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [This is talking to ALL MAN even the GENTILES
56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.
56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; { this is Gentiles
56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
No, I don't think the new covenant cancelled God's blessing.
Here you are trying to dictate how I should interact on this forum, and complaining about things that I don't do. Anyway...
Here's a Scripture passage:
"So it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourself free from such things, you will do well. Farewell." (Acts 15:28-29, NASB)
Here's what I think about it:
I find it interesting that the disciples of Jesus discussed whether the gentiles were to be subject to the old covenant Law, and with the input of the Holy Spirit, they came to the conclusion recorded above, from which any mention of Sabbath is noticeably absent. That tells me that, in a nutshell, "keeping the Sabbath" according to the old covenant law is simply not required of me, a gentile Christian.
The only thing is with that, is that THE U.S.A. is the second beast in Revelation, and we are going to start the worship'
And it will BE Church AND STATE together that creates the IMAGE to the Beast. It was Church And state that killed the saints in the dark days, so the U.S.A. is going to DO the SAME thing.
And it will BE Church AND STATE together that creates the IMAGE to the Beast. It was Church And state that killed the saints in the dark days, so the U.S.A. is going to DO the SAME thing.
You are right, I should not try to talk you into not slandering other Christians. It always upsets me because you are so knowledgeable, have so much to offer. I am to accept you and take the good of your posts, and there is much good in them.
Where does scripture say we are not subject to "old covenant law"? I think it is clear that we are not to burden Christians with a demand they go to church on a certain day, but I don't see any scripture telling us that if law is in the old testament under the old covenant, we are not to consider it a law of the Lord.
In this discussion in Acts of what laws gentiles were and were not subject to, it is clear that we are not to subject anyone to something like a day we HAVE to go to church. That goes for Saturday or Sunday. But in the Act's discussion, they speak of going to synagogue to hear about Moses, and all the laws they were to obey were ones that allowed them to get past the Pharisees so they could go hear about Moses.
Where does scripture say we are not subject to "old covenant law"? I think it is clear that we are not to burden Christians with a demand they go to church on a certain day, but I don't see any scripture telling us that if law is in the old testament under the old covenant, we are not to consider it a law of the Lord.
In this discussion in Acts of what laws gentiles were and were not subject to, it is clear that we are not to subject anyone to something like a day we HAVE to go to church. That goes for Saturday or Sunday. But in the Act's discussion, they speak of going to synagogue to hear about Moses, and all the laws they were to obey were ones that allowed them to get past the Pharisees so they could go hear about Moses.