Foreknown from eternity past, saved in time.
Must have been foreknown (προγινωσκω) in eternity past. Otherwise, God does not see the future or only sees part of it.
Open theism.
Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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Foreknown from eternity past, saved in time.
Must have been foreknown (προγινωσκω) in eternity past. Otherwise, God does not see the future or only sees part of it.
Open theism.
I believe Jesus was crucified 2000 years ago correct ? prior to this everyone was not saved . Not Abraham, issac or Jacob . If Jesus never came all would be lost . Now when you were born you were also lost . Until you believed. After believing God did something didn't he ? The Holy Spirit placed you into the one body . Prior to this you were not in him . If you never believed you would wind up in hell . So its folly to suggest you were predestined to glorification prior to being IN HIM ,when ONLY those that get IN HIM are heading towards the redemption of the body . Rom 8.23 . Currently ALL those in the one body are heading towards the redemption of the body . Prior to being sealed by the Holy Spirit you were not heading towards the redemption of the body. Things really are happening now . This isn't a dream . One day Jesus will return . The pre ..destination although Guranteed for those in him hasn't happened yet. We are WAITING. The Whole of creation is waiting and groaning for this .
Most likely God currently sees from his perspective out side of time ,Past -present- future at a single glance . Your starting with a philosophy to interpret the scriptures, claiming to know more than is revealed . Many are . Theres whole seminaries teaching this stuff ,churning out clones off a conveyer belt all parroting this same stuff from the forth century .
He knew that all those who would become IN HIM he would predestine those to the Adoption clearly identified in Rom 8.23 . Which is the redemption of the body .
Can you show Scripture stating this? And please don't go to Ephesians 1 because it's not there.
You didnt answer the question
Remember, we’ve been talking about election and predestination
So when did God purpose in Himself to adopt you?
It’s not a yes or no question. It’s a when question. When did God decide to adopt you?
Yes and we don't share the same view on what election or predestination means. Hence this ongoing debate .
After I recieved Jesus. John 1.12 , Galations 4. As a son ,then I was predestined to the Adoption which is a future event for believers only .
God didn’t know He was going to adopt you until you were saved? So He didn’t know all things from eternity past. Open theism.
I realise these boogeyman labels and scare tactics are what steer some into either ditch ( Calvinism or Arminianism) Its rare to see Christians wanting to discuss what the bible actually says beyond the ' systems '
You said election is unto service and calling. And predestination is unto glorification
To elect is to choose and to predestinate is to foreodain
Chosen unto a purpose. Predestined to adoption/glorification
But God didn’t choose or predestinate until we chose, according to you. So this choice and this predestination did not happen until we chose, according to you
Yet God already knew what we would choose, so as far as He was concerned it was immutably known in eternity past.
So why would He have to wait for us to choose us or predestine us to anything
How does God know infallibly He’s going to do something ( like adopt us) before He makes a choice that He will indeed do it?
So God knew infallibly that He was going to adopt us from eternity past, but He hadn’t decided ( chosen) whether He was going to do it or not. Lol
Waiting? How about this verse .
1cor 12 .
12¶For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
When does this take place? Are you baptized into one body before or after you believe? So maybe God is waiting until a person is immersed into the ' one body ' .
No one is forced into the ' one body ' ,this has to be by our choice . Thats God's choice. 1 cor 1.21 . 1 cor 12.13 .
I think your calvinistic thinking is clouding the issue here .