Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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throughfaith

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OIC1965 said:
How does God know infallibly He’s going to do something ( like adopt us) before He makes a choice that He will indeed do it?

So God knew infallibly that He was going to adopt us from eternity past, but He hadn’t decided ( chosen) whether He was going to do it or not. Lol
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God has given the choice to us. Its his sovereign choice to do this. He knows what he is doing . He's not afraid by our choosing.
 
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OIC1965

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throughfaith said:
God has given the choice to us. Its his sovereign choice to do this. He knows what he is doing . He's not afraid by our choosing.
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Red Herring alert!! Has nothing to do with what you’re replying to.
 
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John146

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OIC1965 said:
God didn’t know He was going to adopt you until you were saved? So He didn’t know all things from eternity past. Open theism.
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Another made up theism...

Why not just go with what the scriptures actually say? No outside influences.
 
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OIC1965

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John146 said:
The moment we believed the gospel of grace.
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So we weren’t predestined to be adopted until we believed. It logically follows He knew He was going to adopt us before He chose to adopt us. Interesting.
 
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OIC1965

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John146 said:
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
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What does this have to do with foreknowledge and predestination
 
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OIC1965

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John146 said:
Another made up theism...

Why not just go with what the scriptures actually say? No outside influences.
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If you think God didn’t know we would be saved before we were saved, that is open theism.

If you want scripture about Gods perfect foreknowledge, start in Isaiah 42 and read until you find the passages. I tthink it’s like chapters 42-46.
 
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John146

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OIC1965 said:
If you think God didn’t know we would be saved before we were saved, that is open theism.

If you want scripture about Gods perfect foreknowledge, start in Isaiah 42 and read until you find the passages. I tthink it’s like chapters 42-46.
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Isaiah 42 talks about Gods elect Jesus.
 
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John146

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OIC1965 said:
So we weren’t predestined to be adopted until we believed. It logically follows He knew He was going to adopt us before He chose to adopt us. Interesting.
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The moment I believed the gospel and was placed in Christ, God predestinated my future. My future is the adoption which is the redemption of the body.
 
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John146 said:
The moment I believed the gospel and was placed in Christ, God predestinated my future. My future is the adoption which is the redemption of the body.
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So God didn’t know beforehand you would believe and therefore be adopted?
 
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John146

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OIC1965 said:
Try Acts 15:18. What does it say?
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Absolutely, God knows our hearts, our motives our thoughts.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
 
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John146

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OIC1965 said:
So God didn’t know beforehand you would believe and therefore be adopted?
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I don’t see it in Scripture. If scripture says it, then I believe it. I try not to read any preconceived beliefs into scripture.
 
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