How many beleive we are in the Tribulation period now and why

[bud62]

now Bud you must have voted wrong then lol

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
{History tell us The earthquake was the Lisbon on Nov 1 1755 lasted about 6 minutes.}
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
{History tells us the Sun became black May19 1780, called the dark day, And the moon became as blood that same night}
Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
{ Stars fall Nov 13 1833, Check them out on your computer yourself, They are there, THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPEN IN THE BIBLE IS JESUS's COMMING, REV 6:12-13 tells us this AND MATTHEW 24:29, & MARK 13:24,ALL tells us that JESUS's COMMING IS THE NEXT THING that HAPPEN, We are CLOSE, AND IT'S EVEN AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!
6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: { NOTICE THESE THINGS HAPPEN IN ORDER JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SATS THEY WILL HAPPEN }
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. ,
So JESUS IS coming SOON and
HE YESUAH WILL DESTROY ALL THE WICKED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING, MATTHEW 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. [ THE WICKED IS DESTROYED FIRST, then JESUS GATHERS HIS SAINTS, AND JESUS TELLS US THIS HIM SELF ]

 

[Truth7t7]

And 3 1/2 years is exactly half of 7 years. So what is your problem? There will be 3 1/2 years of Tribulation, followed by 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation (desolations).

The COVID fear-mongering and promotion of bogus vaccines is a prelude to the promotion of the Mark of the Beast. The same psychological manipulation will be there, accompanied by lying wonders and miracles, to convince people that the Antichrist must be the the expected *Messiah* who only has everyone's well-being at heart. Just as we are seeing deception on an unprecedented scale right now, there will be even greater deception.

Nothing in the scripture references 7 years, once again it states 1260 days, 42 months, this being 3.5 years

 

[Yahshua]

Where does it say that the Great Tribulation would last until the "time of the gentiles is fulfilled" and started in AD70?Cant find that in Luke at all!

Luke 21:20-24
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Also, lets not pretend like Jews are going thru some terrible persecution now, jews are running the banks, they own all the media corporations, they got all the money. So yeah, they are the ones running the whole of the western media. They ballin. Where is the persecution?

(......those currently in the land aren't Jews....)

Daniel 12:7 says when the people are successfully scattered that's the end of the GT for them.

The book of Ezekiel was written while in Babylonian captivity. Now, if we're relying on the word of the living God as true, Yah prophesies EVERYTHING that must happen IN ORDER when Judah returns to the land during the SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD (during Roman occupation) and after Rome. Note how the following prophetic events match biblical and world history:

1. Ezekiel 33:28-29 - Jews will start sinning again when they return from Babylon (fulfilled prior to Christ's birth 457 - 3 BC)

2. Ezekiel 34 - Corrupt shepherds will mislead them but Almighty will search out his sheep and make a COVENANT with them (fulfilled: Christ vs pharisees; cross; pentecost; 27 - 34 AD)

3. Ezekiel 35:5-15 - Jerusalem will be destroyed (happened in 70 AD) and it says Edomites will claim land as theirs, but live through constant war; never at peace there (the people in the land have never had peace since claiming it and they build divider walls everywhere).

The rest of Ezekiel from chapters 36 to 40 summarize the rest of prophecy including:

4. the scattering of the Jews into the nations (ch 36)

5. the regathering and resurrection event by the Son of Man (ch 37)

6. Returning and living in peace in the land without protective walls (it literally says this) until Gog & Magog attacks (chs 38 &39) and they are destroyed

7. Finally, to the millennial temple (ch 40).

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I believe we are currently living through #4 from the list above, with #5 knocking at our door.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the closest thing we have had to the tribulation period since the world began is WW1 and WW2 (unless you count the flood) and Christ did not return yet

gentiles still trample Jerusalem as prophesied,

and Christ has yet to return.

not only has the tribulation not occurred yet, it horrifies me that it will make the world wars of the 20th century look like picnics. Remember, Jesus made it clea. Unless he returned no life would survive, imagine a time on earth where extinction of all life is possible,

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hi Ahwatukee,

OK. I'll share my perspective since you asked but it's not with a desire to argue or to try to convince you anymore since I know we differ in eschatology. And personally, with time as short as we agree it is, I think we're all about to get major confirmation on whoever's view is right pretty soon anyhow.

You wrote all of that for nothing.

The tribulation period is made up of the entire seven years, with the great tribulation being the last 3 1/2 years. This seven years will complete the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Daniels people Israel and Jerusalem. That time period is also known as 'The Day of the Lord' which is when God will pour out His wrath upon the entire world and which will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well the plagues that the two witnesses bring upon the earth.

In Matthew 24:15-22, Jesus identified the great tribulation as beginning when that abomination that causes the desolation is set up in the holy place, which Daniel said would take place in the middle of the seven years. When that happens, then Israel will flee out into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years. During the entire seven years, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place upon the whole world.

The first seal rider on the white horse, symbolically represents the emergence of the antichrist, who has yet to be revealed. With just this alone it stops you in your tracks with your claim that we are at the tail end of the great tribulation, for he is revealed at the opening of the first seal.

The wrath of God must be completed before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, which would be after the seventh bowl has been poured out. We know this from what Jesus interjected when the sixth bowl is poured out:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.

Now all that said, if we were at the tail end of the great tribulation, we would have already seen the seals, trumpets and most of the bowl judgments fulfilled, yet we have seen none of them. Your claim regarding the world wars is nothing in comparison to what is coming.

People who think that we are already living in the tribulation period have no idea of the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. It is not going to be an unprecedented time unlike anything the world has previously seen!

I'll ask you again, when in the history of the world have we seen a third of the earth and trees burned up, which is the result of the first trumpet?

When has the world seen a huge mountain thrown into the ocean and killing a third of the creatures in the sea and destroying a third of the ships, which is the second trumpet?

When have we seen the fifth trumpet where those demonic beings are released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like scorpions?

These events will all take place physically and literally, affecting the entire earth.

The point is that, all of those things and more have to take place prior to the tail end of the great tribulation period. Since these are some of the events of wrath that will take place during the tribulation period, instead providing all of that scripture, you should be addressing these questions, because they haven't take place yet.

You can post all of the scriptures that you want, but the fulfillment of those events of wrath is the real proof of whether or not we are living at the tail end of the great tribulation period. Without their fulfillment you have no proof. It's that simple!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
{History tell us The earthquake was the Lisbon on Nov 1 1755 lasted about 6 minutes.}
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
{History tells us the Sun became black May19 1780, called the dark day, And the moon became as blood that same night}

The problem with what I think you are saying, is this:

--"moon became as blood" is not the same thing [nor same timing] as

--"moon shall not give her light"


... those are two completely distinct appearances, and two completely distinct time-slots...

--the "moon into blood / became as blood" occurs "BEFORE the GREAT" (BEFORE the "GREAT" aspect OF the DOTL time-period, aka IN the FIRST HALF of the [7-]tribulation-yrs... Joel 2:31/Rev6:12/6th SEAL, fairly EARLY in the 70th Week/Tribulation period, something like within the first year-to-year-and-a-half)

--"moon shall not give her light" occurs "AFTER the tribulation of those days" (i.e. AFTER the "GREAT" aspect of the tribulation yrs, aka at the END of the "GREAT tribulation" when Jesus is getting ready to "RETURN" to the earth at that point in the chronology... Matt24:29-31/Isa27:12-13)




It sounds to me as though you are endeavoring to EQUATE these two entirely distinct items (which actually take place at two entirely distinct points-in-time, in the chronology, and appear in two entirely distinct ways [/"in looks"])

 

[Ahwatukee]

3) To be fair, please consider this about the trumpets: are these trumpets sounded on earth or in heaven?

Regardless of whether the trumpets are sounded in heaven, on earth or both does not matter. What you are attempting to do, is to get rid of the trumpets as being literal events, because you have no fulfillment of them. Therefore, if you can allegorize or symbolize them, you can get rid of their physical fulfillment and claim that they have taken place.

Make no mistake, the seals, trumpets and vial judgments will be how God is going to exact His wrath upon the earth. And those will take place just as they are written, literally.

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Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water—the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
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Those are just trumpets one thru four, which will be literal events that will take place:

First Trumpet = A third of the earth and trees burned up

You can't have a third of the earth and trees burned up without there being many fatalities which is not listed.

Second Trumpet = A third of the creatures in the sea are killed and a third of the ships are destroyed

John's description of 'something like a huge mountain all ablaze being thrown into the sea' is most likely describing an asteroid coming through the atmosphere and hitting in one of the oceans. All of the creatures in that body of water will be killed equaling a third over all the earth. Likewise, all of the ships in that body of water will be destroyed equaling a third over all the earth. This will be accomplished by the giant waves produced by that object hitting the water, which will send multiple waves in 360 degrees affecting every shore in the body of water and everything in between.

How many people on those ships?

How many people in those cities, towns and villages that sit right on the coast line of every shore?

How far inland will those waves travel?

Third Trumpet = An object from heaven contaminates a third of the rivers and fresh waters and many people die from drinking

If a third of the fresh water is contaminated, how many people world-wide will die from drinking?

Fourth Trumpet = A third of the sun, moon and stars will be darkened so that that a third of the light will be missing during both day and night.

No one is killed as a result of the fourth trumpet, but I believe that the darkening of the sun, moon and stars by a third, will be to set the atmosphere for the next three trumpets which are all demonic in nature.

I've listed these to demonstrate that these events are real and will be carried out literally and not allegorically or historically.

Without their literal fulfillment, we can't be living in the great tribulation period.

historicizing or allegorizing those events just allows you to get rid of the literal fulfillment in order to support your claim.

People who do this are in for a big surprise when they see the literal fulfillment of these plagues of wrath begin to take place.

 

[DWR]

What do you think?

First, there is no seven year tribulation, it is 1335 days according to Daniel.
Secondly, if we were now in the tribulation, even though we will still be here, we would not be on this site because there would be no internet nor power to run all these phones and PCs we use.
When the sixth seal is opened, most of the world will be in the dark and life as we know it end.

 

[Yahshua]

You wrote all of that for nothing

Ok. Lol well I always appreciate how you start conversations with a friendly "hi" before laying the smackdown.

The tribulation period is made up of the entire seven years, with the great tribulation being the last 3 1/2 years. This seven years will complete the seventy seven year periods that was decreed upon Daniels people Israel and Jerusalem. That time period is also known as 'The Day of the Lord' which is when God will pour out His wrath upon the entire world and which will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well the plagues that the two witnesses bring upon the earth.

Ok. Regarding this remaining 7 years; can you share any other passage in scripture where the Almighty first gives a prophetic timeframe but then PAUSES part of that timeframe for a length of time?

It seems illogical to give a prophecy about time only to assume that some of that time will be paused for an indeterminate amount of time. It goes against the very purpose of sharing a prophecy about time. It's oxymoronic. It's 'oxymoronical'!

The first seal rider on the white horse, symbolically represents the emergence of the antichrist, who has yet to be revealed. With just this alone it stops you in your tracks with your claim that we are at the tail end of the great tribulation, for he is revealed at the opening of the first seal.

At the beginning of the Messiah's prophecy in Matthew 24 he lists 4 events that would happen before the his disciples would be persecuted: false christs, war, famines, pestilences.

Revelation 6 gives the same events before the martyrs of the 5th seal: white horse conqueror, war horse, poverty horse, death horse.

I have no problem with calling the white horse the "antichrist", but weren't the Messiah's disciples persecuted and martyred in the 1st century? The white horse is said to ride out before they're killed.

The wrath of God must be completed before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, which would be after the seventh bowl has been poured out. We know this from what Jesus interjected when the sixth bowl is poured out:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.

Now all that said, if we were at the tail end of the great tribulation, we would have already seen the seals, trumpets and most of the bowl judgments fulfilled, yet we have seen none of them. Your claim regarding the world wars is nothing in comparison to what is coming.

But the great tribulation isn't the wrath of the Almighty on the world. The great tribulation is the punishment for Israel rejecting His Son.

Hebrews 10:28-31
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Meanwhile, the wrath of the Almighty upon the world is the punishment for the nations who went too far in mistreating Israel during THEIR punishment.


Zechariah 1:14-16
14Then the angel who was speaking to me said, “Proclaim this word: This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I am very jealous for Jerusalem and Zion, and I am very angry with the nations that feel secure. I was only a little angry, but they went too far with the punishment.’

16“Therefore this is what the Lord says: ‘I will return to Jerusalem with mercy, and there my house will be rebuilt. And the measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem,’ declares the Lord Almighty.

Matthew 25:31-36
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’


The Almighty uses nations to punish other nations. Always has. The GT is the timeframe when the nations steal from, use and mistreat Israel for their personal riches while receiving salvation (The Messiah) that was offered to Israel first. The GT = The time of the gentiles.

"Regarding the gospel they are enemies for your sakes." (Romans 11:28)

The Almighty is perfectly efficient, wasting no event. So during Israel's time of trouble the nations would be blessed. The time of suffering for Israel would be a time of riches for gentiles. Paul explains this completely in Romans 11.

The bowls of wrath begin to fall when Israel's punishment is over but the nations continue to mistreat them. The first 6 bowls are poured, then the Messiah gathers his people and then returns with his army to destroy the world's army. The Messiah is the 7th bowl of wrath.

 

[Scribe]

Regardless of whether the trumpets are sounded in heaven, on earth or both does not matter. What you are attempting to do, is to get rid of the trumpets as being literal events, because you have no fulfillment of them. Therefore, if you can allegorize or symbolize them, you can get rid of their physical fulfillment and claim that they have taken place.

Make no mistake, the seals, trumpets and vial judgments will be how God is going to exact His wrath upon the earth. And those will take place just as they are written, literally.

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Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water—the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
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Those are just trumpets one thru four, which will be literal events that will take place:

First Trumpet = A third of the earth and trees burned up

You can't have a third of the earth and trees burned up without there being many fatalities which is not listed.

Second Trumpet = A third of the creatures in the sea are killed and a third of the ships are destroyed

John's description of 'something like a huge mountain all ablaze being thrown into the sea' is most likely describing an asteroid coming through the atmosphere and hitting in one of the oceans. All of the creatures in that body of water will be killed equaling a third over all the earth. Likewise, all of the ships in that body of water will be destroyed equaling a third over all the earth. This will be accomplished by the giant waves produced by that object hitting the water, which will send multiple waves in 360 degrees affecting every shore in the body of water and everything in between.

How many people on those ships?

How many people in those cities, towns and villages that sit right on the coast line of every shore?

How far inland will those waves travel?

Third Trumpet = An object from heaven contaminates a third of the rivers and fresh waters and many people die from drinking

If a third of the fresh water is contaminated, how many people world-wide will die from drinking?

Fourth Trumpet = A third of the sun, moon and stars will be darkened so that that a third of the light will be missing during both day and night.

No one is killed as a result of the fourth trumpet, but I believe that the darkening of the sun, moon and stars by a third, will be to set the atmosphere for the next three trumpets which are all demonic in nature.

I've listed these to demonstrate that these events are real and will be carried out literally and not allegorically or historically.

Without their literal fulfillment, we can't be living in the great tribulation period.

historicizing or allegorizing those events just allows you to get rid of the literal fulfillment in order to support your claim.

People who do this are in for a big surprise when they see the literal fulfillment of these plagues of wrath begin to take place.

Many people live in a paradise today and complain about things being so bad. They would wish for one of these days if they were in the Great Tribulation. It will stink like decay.

 

[Scribe]

Ok. Regarding this remaining 7 years; can you share any other passage in scripture where the Almighty first gives a prophetic timeframe but then PAUSES part of that timeframe for a length of time?

The first and second coming of Jesus Christ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The first and second coming of Jesus Christ?

Remember when Jesus read from the scroll, and said this was that day. Nothing which was written happened yet.

 

[Yahshua]

Regardless of whether the trumpets are sounded in heaven, on earth or both does not matter. What you are attempting to do, is to get rid of the trumpets as being literal events, because you have no fulfillment of them. Therefore, if you can allegorize or symbolize them, you can get rid of their physical fulfillment and claim that they have taken place.

Make no mistake, the seals, trumpets and vial judgments will be how God is going to exact His wrath upon the earth. And those will take place just as they are written, literally.

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Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water—the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
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Those are just trumpets one thru four, which will be literal events that will take place:

First Trumpet = A third of the earth and trees burned up

You can't have a third of the earth and trees burned up without there being many fatalities which is not listed.

Second Trumpet = A third of the creatures in the sea are killed and a third of the ships are destroyed

John's description of 'something like a huge mountain all ablaze being thrown into the sea' is most likely describing an asteroid coming through the atmosphere and hitting in one of the oceans. All of the creatures in that body of water will be killed equaling a third over all the earth. Likewise, all of the ships in that body of water will be destroyed equaling a third over all the earth. This will be accomplished by the giant waves produced by that object hitting the water, which will send multiple waves in 360 degrees affecting every shore in the body of water and everything in between.

How many people on those ships?

How many people in those cities, towns and villages that sit right on the coast line of every shore?

How far inland will those waves travel?

Third Trumpet = An object from heaven contaminates a third of the rivers and fresh waters and many people die from drinking

If a third of the fresh water is contaminated, how many people world-wide will die from drinking?

Fourth Trumpet = A third of the sun, moon and stars will be darkened so that that a third of the light will be missing during both day and night.

No one is killed as a result of the fourth trumpet, but I believe that the darkening of the sun, moon and stars by a third, will be to set the atmosphere for the next three trumpets which are all demonic in nature.

I've listed these to demonstrate that these events are real and will be carried out literally and not allegorically or historically.

Without their literal fulfillment, we can't be living in the great tribulation period.

historicizing or allegorizing those events just allows you to get rid of the literal fulfillment in order to support your claim.

People who do this are in for a big surprise when they see the literal fulfillment of these plagues of wrath begin to take place.

I'll ask you again, when in the history of the world have we seen a third of the earth and trees burned up, which is the result of the first trumpet?

The entire world was the Roman empire. There was nothing but the Roman Empire. It conquered and gobbled up everything it could and what it couldn't it stamped out, just as Daniel's visions described.

But in 400AD, Gothic barbarian tribes invaded western 3rd of the empire. Their method of attack was a "scorched earth" policy (i.e. burn EVERYTHING to the ground).

When has the world seen a huge mountain thrown into the ocean and killing a third of the creatures in the sea and destroying a third of the ships, which is the second trumpet?

In 425AD, the Vandals, known as "the tyrants of the seas", attacked and destroyed the Roman navy. All dead. All ships destroyed.

When have we seen the fifth trumpet where those demonic beings are released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like scorpions?

3rd trumpet - Huns (Barbarians) 451AD; "masters of the rivers"; Attila, called "the scourge of god". There were so many dead bodies piling up in rivers that it polluted the fresh waters.

4th trumpet - Heruli (Barbarians) conquered Rome's capitol 476AD; the Dark ages begin.

Little horn rises - Papal Rome. 538AD. Begins to persecute Jews

5th trumpet - Islamic Saracens attack Papal Rome, skirmishes last 150 years. I already described how their characteristics match the vision of the locust. There was even testimony that said those Islamic raiders moved in like "locust" and disappear just as fast.

6th trumpet - Ottoman Turks (Asians) invade east Pagan Roman Empire (1/3) 1062AD; they cross the Euphrates river; had 4 sultinates and 4 capitals: Sogut, Bursa, Edirne and Istanbul; Crusades begin (391yrs)

Mighty angel - raises hands (just like man in linen did with Daniel telling him about the timeframe of tribulation), "no more time!". GT begins. John is then told to prophesy again, and measure the worshippers. The witnesses then testify for 1260 prophetic days (literal years).

7th trumpet - the bowls of wrath upon the world begin to pour out.

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These events do take place physically, but the visions are symbolic. Have you ever seen a four-headed leopard with wings flying around? What about a winged lion? Do you expect the Antichrist to literally have 7 heads and 10 horns? Who in the world would mistake a seven-headed monster as the true Messiah?

 

[Scribe]

And 3 1/2 years is exactly half of 7 years. So what is your problem? There will be 3 1/2 years of Tribulation, followed by 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation (desolations).

The COVID fear-mongering and promotion of bogus vaccines is a prelude to the promotion of the Mark of the Beast. The same psychological manipulation will be there, accompanied by lying wonders and miracles, to convince people that the Antichrist must be the the expected *Messiah* who only has everyone's well-being at heart. Just as we are seeing deception on an unprecedented scale right now, there will be even greater deception.

Anyone can read Rev 13 and grasp that the Mark will be a forced requirement associated with worshipping the image of the beast or be killed. Being threated with death if you don't comply is the important stress of the text, not that of winning by popular vote.

 

[Yahshua]

The first and second coming of Jesus Christ?

can you share any other passage in scripture where the Almighty first gives a prophetic timeframe but then PAUSES part of that timeframe for a length of time?

In other words, any passage where measurements of time are given.

 

[Scribe]

Remember when Jesus read from the scroll, and said this was that day. Nothing which was written happened yet.

That is a good example of a pause between the first part "Opening the eyes of the blind and letting the oppressed go free" and the second part that he did not read. A Pause in the prophetic timeline.

 

[Scribe]

can you share any other passage in scripture where the Almighty first gives a prophetic timeframe but then PAUSES part of that timeframe for a length of time?

In other words, any passage with measurements of time are given.

As eternally_gratefull pointed out. Luke 4:21 compare with Is 61
Also the day of Pentecost. Peter quoted Joel 2 as the fulfilment for what they were seeing, but then Joel 2 continues with some prophecy that is still future. A gap between Acts 2 and the very end still to come.

Joel 2
28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

 

[Yahshua]

As eternally_gratefull pointed out. Luke 4:21 compare with Is 61
Also the day of Pentecost. Peter quoted Joel 2 as the fulfilment for what they were seeing, but then Joel 2 continues with some prophecy that is still future. A gap between Acts 2 and the very end still to come.

Joel 2
28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

But Isaiah 61 isn't a prophetic timeframe and neither is Joel 2. Indeed there are a multitude of prophecies that are only partially fulfilled, many stopping in the middle of sentences. But when the Almighty gives specific timeframes can you share any that were paused?

For example, "lay on your side for 40 days...a day for a year".

"Seventy weeks are given to thy people and thy holy city..."

"My spirit can not strive with man..Man is given 120 years..."

Do you know of any timeframe prophecy, where the Almighty gives specific measurements of time, where the fulfillment of the timeframe was paused at any interval?

I'm looking for a precedent to support an arbitrary gap in a specific 70 weeks timeframe that was prophesied.

 

[Scribe]

But Isaiah 61 isn't a prophetic timeframe and neither is Joel 2. Indeed there are a multitude of prophecies that are only partially fulfilled, many stopping in the middle of sentences. But when the Almighty gives specific timeframes can you share any that were paused?

For example, "lay on your side for 40 days...a day for a year".

"Seventy weeks are given to thy people and thy holy city..."
They were supposed to go into the promise land. The iniquity of the Amorites was already fulfilled. But they had to wonder 40 years in the wilderness because of unbelief. A pause in the prophetic timeline of the Amorites. They were supposed to be in Egypt 400 years and then come out and judge the Amorites, but it got delayed didn't it? hmmmm...

I just came up with that on the fly. Sounded good. LOL .. I really have no idea about the Daniel timeline. I have not even begun to study it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is a good example of a pause between the first part "Opening the eyes of the blind and letting the oppressed go free" and the second part that he did not read. A Pause in the prophetic timeline.

We call it a prophetic gap.

it’s called listing events in order, but it does not exactly mean they will happen sequentially.
the best example I was ever given was you look forward and it seems to be one giant mountain with varying levels, yet when you turn it sideways, it is different mountains, all with valleys, or gaps, in between them