These back and forth posts can get pretty long, and we only have 10000 characters, so I must be selective in what I reply to. I read your posts.
Well for several principles we know about Him:
a) It's because the Almighty doesn't change
There being a gap in between the sixty ninth seven and the last seven years, does not mean that God has changed. As I previously posted, there is a 2000 year gap between when Jesus quoted Isaiah regarding the vengeance of our God.
b) when we have two or more witnesses such can be established as the truth
c) The Almighty doesn't do anything unless He first tells about it, especially if it would overturn a previous determination
d) His word doesn't return to Him void. He made a determination about a countdown.
Truly, agreed, there are numerous prophetic scriptures that were only partially fulfilled. And many times only part of sentences were fulfilled (with the rest of the sentence being left for the future). But when it comes to TIME; when it comes to the Almighty prophesying a specific amount of time for an event, He is exact because time does not pause. The world keeps turning. Days keeping counting. Years keep coming to pass.
Seventy "sevens", 490 years were given to the people and to Jerusalem to end their sin (and to do other important stuff). It was a countdown until judgment: either they'd be saved or condemned to destruction...and we know which path judgment took.
Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Instead of answering each one of those that you listed, which by the changes nothing, I will post why the last seven years has to be a future event. Let's first look at the decree that was pronounced upon Israel and Jerusalem:
"Seventy weeks (of years) are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place."
* Israel's transgressions are still on-going
* Israel is still committing sins
* That have yet to recognize the One who made atonement for them for their sins
* Everlasting righteousness has not yet been brought in
* Visions and prophesies have not been completed in order to seal them up
* The Most Holy Place has not yet been anointed
None of the things listed in the decree of seventy seven year periods stated in Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled.
Consider the following as well .......
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’
i he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple
j he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ”
Jesus quoted Daniel's scripture above in Matthew 24:15-22. From the time that Jesus quoted it, there has been:
* No seven year covenant made with Israel
* No ceasing of the daily sacrifices and offerings from the time He quoted it until the destruction of the temple
* No abomination was set up in the holy place within the temple until it was destroyed
All of these are literal events that must take place, not allegorical or symbolic. This is where discernment between the two is paramount. These events do not read like a seven headed dragon, or woman clothed with the sun. It's straight forward in its meaning, i.e. a seven year covenant must be made with Israel, the sacrifices and offering much be stopped, that idolatrous reeking stench referred to as the abomination, must be set up in the holy place within the temple.
None of these events have yet taken place, and therefore must be fulfilled in the future.
We can't change His word to fit our viewpoint.
I am not one to do that, but utilize all related scriptures to come to my conclusions. That is just an apologetic to discredit what I have proclaimed. People do the same thing when they claim that we can't know the word of God. It's an attempt to end the argument quickly.
No, no I didn't say they were killed by the rider of the white horse. I was listing the order of events that the Messiah gave and that Revelation 6 gave, showing that the Messiah's disciples are martyred 5th in order (5TH SEAL) while the rider of the white horse is unleashed 1st in order (1ST SEAL)
Logical Position: If we know that the disciples were killed in the first century...but that event is 5th in the order...then the white horse rider had to be unleashed sometime AFTER the Messiah ascended to heaven but sometime BEFORE the disciples were persecuted and killed, in the first century also.
Your error is the assumption that the martyr's shown under the altar at the 6th seal are Jesus original disciples. There is no scripture that would support these under the altar as being the disciples of the first century. These will most likely be saints who will have been killed during the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period, during the time of the seals.
The fact is, that these events are all future and will take place during the tribulation period.
(more or less) The Seals judged Israel
Below is the error of your claim that the Seals are only for Israel
Fourth Seal
Then I looked and saw a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed close behind. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth."
At the fourth seal, Death and Hades are given authority to kill a fourth of the earths population. The only apologetic that you can use, is you claim that "over a fourth of the earth" only refers to the old occupied Roman territory. But as I said before, the information in Revelation is future, having to do with God's coming wrath and the Lord's return to end the age.
Needless to say, Israel would not make up a fourth of the earths population by itself. The proper interpretation is a fourth over the entire world. In fact, in Revelation the numbers that are cited are in regards to the whole earth.
That's the fourth seal. Likewise, we have not yet seen any of the seals, the first one representing the antichrist.
The Trumpets judged the Roman Empire...The Bowls are judging today's entire world. It's a progression of judgment throughout history that started with 70AD and has expanded to the world in these last 2000 years.
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, are meant to take place like a woman having birth pains. They are meant to be poured out upon the immediate population, which is what makes them so terrible, because all of those events of wrath will be taking place one after another. With your historical version no one is affected. No one even notices. They are meant to bring the world into total chaos and destruction right up until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
As long as you continue to believe in and teach the historical view, you will always be in error regarding the truth of these events. You are also taking away from the prophesies of this book, because you have adopted a historical view, instead of the literal meaning. The historical view has to be applied. Where the literal view just has to be read and believed.
Everything that you have cited above, is just misapplied historical events to what is written in the book of Revelation. You won't be able to say, "but Lord, your word doesn't say that!"
