If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

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Ultimateprepper

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posthuman said:
All the scripture is for our instruction. It's not useless to us just because we weren't put under the letters of the law; all of it is given to us to teach us about who God is, and His Christ
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So your admitting their is a law now.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes this is true

but the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin (hebrews)

no one was ever saved because a priest went into the holy of holys and gave the atoning sacrifice

no one was ever saved because the scapegoat was set free
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No one was ever perfected through sacrifice only abiding in the spirit can do that.
 
posthuman

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gb9 said:
the women, that you made for me, she gave me the fruit...

her fault, your fault, i was a victim....
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And you think that was acceptable to God?
Adam says 'hey don't look at me God this is all Your fault; You're the author of sin I'm just Your pawn here and You gave me this woman in order to murder me'

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Really? That's palatable?
So God covers him and promises him salvation and redemption?
 
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posthuman said:
And you think that was acceptable to God?
Adam says 'hey don't look at me God this is all Your fault; You're the author of sin I'm just Your pawn here and You gave me this woman in order to murder me'

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Really? That's palatable?
So God covers him and promises him salvation and redemption?
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no, i was saying that was the weak excuse that Adam gave to God when He confronted Adam about eating the fruit..
 
posthuman

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gb9 said:
no, i was saying that was the weak excuse that Adam gave to God when He confronted Adam about eating the fruit..
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Well I think it is Adam confessing his sin in repentance, not giving lame excuses and blaming God for his own sin. I don't think any other explanation works but that.
 
Ultimateprepper

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posthuman said:
Yes

Note the 'without the deeds of the law' part. That means the law isn't required if us; Christ satisfied it, completely. As it is written in the psalms, His people are a free-will offering to Him in the day of His power and beauty of His holiness. Freely we received, freely we give.

It's not because I fear punishment that I remember His rest. It's because I love Him, and that's because He first loved me.
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Exactly what is the love of god keeping his commandments.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
they were under condemnation of sin where the law was weak through the flesh but Christ sacrifice freed them and the righteousness of the law was fulfilled in them who walk after the spirit.
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Yes

and what condemned them but the law (commands). Not the ceremonies and traditions
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
No one was ever perfected through sacrifice only abiding in the spirit can do that.
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I disagree, I believe only faith can do that.

you have no power to keep yourself saved by abiding in anything

it is Christ who holds us in his hands, not we who hold onto him
 
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posthuman said:
And you think that was acceptable to God?
Adam says 'hey don't look at me God this is all Your fault; You're the author of sin I'm just Your pawn here and You gave me this woman in order to murder me'

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Really? That's palatable?
So God covers him and promises him salvation and redemption?
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Yep, the amazing love of God
 
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posthuman said:
Well I think it is Adam confessing his sin in repentance, not giving lame excuses and blaming God for his own sin. I don't think any other explanation works but that.
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He was confessing his sin by blaming Eve?
 
Ultimateprepper

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eternally-gratefull said:
I disagree, I believe only faith can do that.

you have no power to keep yourself saved by abiding in anything

it is Christ who holds us in his hands, not we who hold onto him
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Abiding in Christ is faith John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me ( not we he hold onto him were your words) he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into a fire, and they are burned. So I think ill stick to abiding in Christ.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
So your admitting their is a law now.
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Yes and it condemns all Israel who are outside of Christ. There is no temple; the Jew whose trust is in the law is without hope

I never said there was no law, like Paul said, I am not lawless but under the law of Christ - and there are those under the law, to win them we may become as tho under the law.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
Abiding in Christ is faith John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me ( not we he hold onto him were your words) he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into a fire, and they are burned. So I think ill stick to abiding in Christ.
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Yes, speaking of doing works and producing fruit

Ot in maintaining your salvation
 
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posthuman said:
Yes and it condemns all Israel who are outside of Christ. There is no temple; the Jew whose trust is in the law is without hope

I never said there was no law, like Paul said, I am not lawless but under the law of Christ - and there are those under the law, to win them we may become as tho under the law.
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Now we can finally agree we are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. And we can agree that were not under the condemnation of any law. I knew we would get on the same page. There is no guile or malice in me I just want to learn truth of Gods word.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He was confessing his sin by blaming Eve?
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I think he was expressing remorse and love by saying God had given her to him, not trying to avoid culpability.

God doesn't accept those who do not acknowledge their sin, but He accepted Adam
 
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Dino246 said:
I would caution you, new member. You are welcome to disagree respectfully, but asserting that a long-standing member of this community is preaching "heresies" is out of line.
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You have expressed my own thoughts in a eloquent manner.
 
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