Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?
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You never submit to temptation... hmmm... All the rest of us Christians do all the time, and repent and know that poor miserable carnal prideful us (sometimes thieves of God's glory), will every time be washed clean by the blood of the Lamb, as we travel in sanctification ON OUR WAY to absolute holiness, and to dwell with God and Christ Yeshua, with our future, to be transformed, perfect new bodies, rid of any carnality.
So simple question, yes or no: Do you still sin?
So simple question, yes or no: Do you still sin?
You are not quoting that verse (in bold ^ at top) correctly.
The text is not:
--"written BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world"
Instead, the text actually states:
--"slain FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world"
... a world of difference, in meaning.
The esv is not accurate, here.
See: Revelation 13:8 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com)
The text is not:
--"written BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world"
Instead, the text actually states:
--"slain FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world"
... a world of difference, in meaning.
The esv is not accurate, here.
See: Revelation 13:8 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com)
Sorry I did not make my point clear.
I was referring to the bride/groom subject.
I have never seen a postrib rapture adherent initiate anything on that subject.
Most postribbers are about 80% "anti pretrib rapture" and 20% actual defense of their belief.
Most debate is us pretribbers backpedaling over erroneous postribber claims of dead men and extra biblical rabbit trails.
But the bride/groom component is 100% initiated by pretribbers.
In fact if you could do a search, I am basically alone in showcasing that component.
I am amazed that the next major event and its breathtaking beauty escapes the church of Christ (THE BRIDE)
Seems impossible.
I was referring to the bride/groom subject.
I have never seen a postrib rapture adherent initiate anything on that subject.
Most postribbers are about 80% "anti pretrib rapture" and 20% actual defense of their belief.
Most debate is us pretribbers backpedaling over erroneous postribber claims of dead men and extra biblical rabbit trails.
But the bride/groom component is 100% initiated by pretribbers.
In fact if you could do a search, I am basically alone in showcasing that component.
I am amazed that the next major event and its breathtaking beauty escapes the church of Christ (THE BRIDE)
Seems impossible.
""The desire not to face persecution for Christ during the great tribulation is a carnal sin, loving this body more than the resurrected ""
Jesus said " but pray that you be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God."
Lot and the baby Jesus were taken away BEFORE judgement.
Are they also inferrior sinners?
Jesus said " but pray that you be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God."
Lot and the baby Jesus were taken away BEFORE judgement.
Are they also inferrior sinners?
Do you still sin Ultimateprepper?
(As we Christians do sin everyday, sometimes even thieving God's glory, and confess our sins, therefor being cleansed yesterday, today and tomorrow, from all unrighteousness, in sanctification, on our way to perfect holiness.)
1 John 1 (New King James Version)
6If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Because we sin, and we fail God's commandments, his will, everyday, we needed, need and will need Christ Yeshua atonement offering until we live in holiness with God:
God's will which we, on our own, fail:
Rom. 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh and controlled by its unholy desires, set their minds on and pursue those things which gratify the flesh. But those who are according to the spirit and controlled by the desires of the spirit, set their minds on and seek those things which gratify the holy spirit. 6 Now the mind of the flesh ( which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit) is death- death that comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter. But the mind of the Holy Spirit is life and soul- peace both now and forever. 7 That is because the mind of the flesh - with its carnal thoughts and purposes- is hostile to God; for it does not submit itself to God's law, indeed it cannot. 8 So then those who are living the life of flesh- catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature- cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to him.
(As we Christians do sin everyday, sometimes even thieving God's glory, and confess our sins, therefor being cleansed yesterday, today and tomorrow, from all unrighteousness, in sanctification, on our way to perfect holiness.)
1 John 1 (New King James Version)
6If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Because we sin, and we fail God's commandments, his will, everyday, we needed, need and will need Christ Yeshua atonement offering until we live in holiness with God:
God's will which we, on our own, fail:
Rom. 8:5 For those who are according to the flesh and controlled by its unholy desires, set their minds on and pursue those things which gratify the flesh. But those who are according to the spirit and controlled by the desires of the spirit, set their minds on and seek those things which gratify the holy spirit. 6 Now the mind of the flesh ( which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit) is death- death that comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter. But the mind of the Holy Spirit is life and soul- peace both now and forever. 7 That is because the mind of the flesh - with its carnal thoughts and purposes- is hostile to God; for it does not submit itself to God's law, indeed it cannot. 8 So then those who are living the life of flesh- catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature- cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to him.
Nope.
Those walking carnal are CENTERED in carnality.
The other dimension is the OVERCOMER.
An overcomer is one who has overcome the world the flesh and the devil (sin).
That is the difference.
Paul said "you have not yet resisted unto the shedding of blood,in your striving against sin"
Jesus said "out of the abundance of the heart,the mouth speaks"
Jesus is saying "your heart will betray you"
IOW a carnal believer will always turn the subject into something carnal. (Football,their job,politics,their hobby,themselves, etc)
The bride is obsessed with her groom.
It is written "walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh"
We are either carnal centered or spirit centered.
Those are the two options.
That is WHY God gave us all the remedies against a failed and nominal walk.
First and foremost is the upper room. (Being baptized in the Holy Spirit)
Next is fasting. The purpose of fasting is to deny the flesh.
(Spirit dominated/making the flesh submit to another power).
The armor of God.
Accountability.
(The power of fellowship/partnering with powerful believers.)
No sir.....not all believers are carnal.
Those walking carnal are CENTERED in carnality.
The other dimension is the OVERCOMER.
An overcomer is one who has overcome the world the flesh and the devil (sin).
That is the difference.
Paul said "you have not yet resisted unto the shedding of blood,in your striving against sin"
Jesus said "out of the abundance of the heart,the mouth speaks"
Jesus is saying "your heart will betray you"
IOW a carnal believer will always turn the subject into something carnal. (Football,their job,politics,their hobby,themselves, etc)
The bride is obsessed with her groom.
It is written "walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh"
We are either carnal centered or spirit centered.
Those are the two options.
That is WHY God gave us all the remedies against a failed and nominal walk.
First and foremost is the upper room. (Being baptized in the Holy Spirit)
Next is fasting. The purpose of fasting is to deny the flesh.
(Spirit dominated/making the flesh submit to another power).
The armor of God.
Accountability.
(The power of fellowship/partnering with powerful believers.)
No sir.....not all believers are carnal.
Take a look at the 10 virgin parable.
It is God that classified the 2 choices of his members.
Carnal/foolish
Spirit filled/wise.
One has the Holy Spirit in great measure
The other has a tiny trickle,empty vessel,and tiny flickering light.....(carnal)
They stay behind as Jesus vividly depicted,while the on fire believers go TO THE MARRIAGE CHAMBER.
Jesus said "pray th as t you be counted worthy....."
Iow,pray to be found on fire for Jesus at the gathering of the bride.
The pretrib rapture.
That is being prepared.
It is God that classified the 2 choices of his members.
Carnal/foolish
Spirit filled/wise.
One has the Holy Spirit in great measure
The other has a tiny trickle,empty vessel,and tiny flickering light.....(carnal)
They stay behind as Jesus vividly depicted,while the on fire believers go TO THE MARRIAGE CHAMBER.
Jesus said "pray th as t you be counted worthy....."
Iow,pray to be found on fire for Jesus at the gathering of the bride.
The pretrib rapture.
That is being prepared.
You are not quoting that verse (in bold ^ at top) correctly.
The text is not:
--"written BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world"
Instead, the text actually states:
--"slain FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world"
... a world of difference, in meaning.
The esv is not accurate, here.
See: Revelation 13:8 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com)
The text is not:
--"written BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world"
Instead, the text actually states:
--"slain FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world"
... a world of difference, in meaning.
The esv is not accurate, here.
See: Revelation 13:8 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com)
I could have used the NKJV, as well, without taking away or adding to what I communicated, God's saints experience the great tribulation, before their rapture and marriage supper with the Bridegroom Christ Yeshua, before the millennial Kingdom:
Revelation 13 (English Standard Version)
7Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.b And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. 9If anyone has an ear, let him hear:
10If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.
Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
Revelation 13 (New King James Version)
7It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.
How can you in your pretribulationist views suggest that the tribulation saints, as part of the bride of Christ Yeshua, will not be at the marriage supper of the bride of Christ Yeshua, at her rapture after the great tribulation. The marriage supper's position in Revelation 18 - 20 is positioned after the great tribulation and rapture of the bride.
