Did the Church institute Dec 25th to replace Pagan Festivals with a Christian Theme?

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1 Corinthians 15
45 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 
Benadam said:
You are wrong about that. I don't think you even did the thought experiment.

For one it's evident when someone says 'its not in the bible' that they think they have plumbed the depths of the Word or haven't come to appreciate it anyway.

Jesus gave others His authority to do what He would want done. Those who hear them hear Him. That's in the bible. He entrusted them to establish His Church in the World. They decided that the day He was born is a day to celebrate.

Think of Jesus as your friend then imagine how you look to Him.
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ok mr expert :p, where does Jesus say to celebrate His birth?
give me an exact reference and the translation.
or even a website so i can read it.
 
UCA4J said:
ok mr expert :p, where does Jesus say to celebrate His birth?
give me an exact reference and the translation.
or even a website so i can read it.
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Ok, where does it say not to? Here is a starter for you Roman 13:7

"Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor."
 
Blik said:
I didn't know what partialism or modalism was so I looked it up and I am bewildered rather than informed. Could you explain?

Partialism is sexual interest with an exclusive focus on a specific part of the body other than genitals.

Definition of modalism : the theological doctrine that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but rather three modes or forms of activity (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) under which God manifests himself
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partialism is the theological idea that Jesus is part God and part human.
 
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CS1 said:
the Spirit of Christ is eternal the man Jesus is the Spirit of Christ taking on the likeness of SINFUL Man. You are making speaking non-sense.

You said " Yes, we are to celebrate His resurrection, His birth as our Savior, not His birth as a human.

Now you are trying to clean up your error? You said we are not to celebrate the Birth of Jesus as a human. That is wrong we can do both. We accept and believe by faith Jesus is the son of God who came not by the will of man but by the Spirit of God who stepped out of Glory and took on the likeness of sinful man to experience for us the judgment of sin His death was a Vicious one. Without that physical Body, and the name Jesus we would have not known the humanity of our God Jesus reveal HIM to us. His birth as a human was the fulfillment of God's spoken word. Prior to the Incarnation, there is no Biblical proof God lived as a man. We have what is known as Appearances Christphanies and theophanies.
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Christ was born of a virgin birth, both man and God.

What do you make of 1 Peter 3: 18 That tells us at the crucifixion Christ was made alive in the spirit or quickened by the spirit?
 
Christ was born both man and God. Christ was part man, couldn't it be the reason that the Lord didn't tell us to celebrate His birth? We wouldn't that be celebrating that not only was Christ to be our Savior God, but also that He was born as part man?
 
UCA4J said:
ok mr expert :p, where does Jesus say to celebrate His birth?
give me an exact reference and the translation.
or even a website so i can read it.
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Did you read my post. I don't think you would be asking that if you did.
 
Praise GOD for the birth of the king. Where on that day the hosts of God came.. the army of GOD! That would have been so awesome to see. I believe they are still rejoicing.. for its only been about 2 days since He came and died and rose! :)

Many still debate this.. I always wonder if this was not one way to win over save those that didn't believe. Well they didn't know for fact when Christ was born. Not sure why some would take the negative route. What a wonderful way to share the king of kings and lord of lords. No matter what anyone says.. Christmas is known for the birth of Christ. So no matter how one was to look it.. the Father used it for our good.
 
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Blik said:
I don't know, I wish many people would answer this.

God knew for sure, that this was His Son. Christ lived as a human lives while He was here. We are told in 1 Peter 3 that He died in the flesh and was made alive in the spirit. But surely Christ was also God when He was in the flesh. Otherwise Christ could not have lived a sinless life.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
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I am sometimes not sure what to think about this and pondered upon the same thought, myself. I don't have a position on it, either.
Considering also Luke 2:52, "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature..." This suggests that while Jesus can't have sinned (in order for the rest of the Scriptures to make sense), He was not always all-knowing, or all-wise. The account of baby Jesus speaking like an adult or similar apocrypha, based on this Scripture, I believe it's all mythical inventions. Seems like something changed when Jesus turned 30 and started the ministry, but I'm not sure if we can really know the answer...
 
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Blik said:
Christ was born of a virgin birth, both man and God.

What do you make of 1 Peter 3: 18 That tells us at the crucifixion Christ was made alive in the spirit or quickened by the spirit?
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the body was made alive the Spirit of Christ never died
 
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How about this verse in Ephesians 6:10

as therefore we have opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.


at christmas time dont we have an opportunity to do good to all men? and also show love to our families/housholds?

december 25 is a day most people have off work. Lets use it!
 
CS1 said:
Ok, where does it say not to? Here is a starter for you Roman 13:7

"Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor."
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Matthew 15:
7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Jeremiah 10:
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.


Acts 17:
29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
 
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safswan said:
Jeremiah 10:
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
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I don't think Christians celebrating the season are comparable to idolaters. Only time I've bowed down before the tree is to grab my gift.
 
It is truly shameful that man would not follow the celebrations that God told us of, preferring to make up their own. But it is done, and God has used it for good. Everyone, Christian or not, is told of good will toward men, and there is more giving to others during this season.

If I could find a group that would decide to celebrate according to scripture and love that, I would gladly join them, Our world operates in the ways of the last days, we have to make the best of it.

I can't imagine a world without "Away in a manger" or "O'little town of Bethlehem". God truly works for good with those who love Him. We know it would have been better to follow the lord, but that was not done.
 
KT88 said:
I don't think Christians celebrating the season are comparable to idolaters. Only time I've bowed down before the tree is to grab my gift.
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The season has nothing to do with the Christ of the scriptures and so we need to be aware of what/who it is that we are celebrating.The truth about the season can lead to no other conclusion than that,this along with easter,halloween etc are the customs of the heathen.Which customs we are to avoid as children of God.
 
Christ conquered these common holidays. For generations they point to Jesus and the world is reminded that Christ is Lord.
A voice that seeks to.poiint these days at the myths and gods Jesus conquered is heard from the mouths of the defeated gods and the deceived.

These holy days belong to Jesus and how His adversaries want them reminding the world of them instead.

How would someone who wishes to spread the Gospel be tricked into dechristianizing the land? Just this way.
 
Benadam said:
Christ conquered these common holidays. For generations they point to Jesus and the world is reminded that Christ is Lord.
A voice that seeks to.poiint these days at the myths and gods Jesus conquered is heard from the mouths of the defeated gods and the deceived.

These holy days belong to Jesus and how His adversaries want them reminding the world of them instead.

How would someone who wishes to spread the Gospel be tricked into dechristianizing the land? Just this way.
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none of the known holidays point to Jesus.
 
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