Did the Church institute Dec 25th to replace Pagan Festivals with a Christian Theme?

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If in fact the Magi were from Babylon and they followed the astronomical predictions (read prophecies) passed down from Daniel. The Star of Bethlehem may have been Saturn and Jupiter combined (Like 2 nights from now).
Christmas Star:” Saturn-Jupiter Great Conjunction 2020
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The year 2020 will end with a special astronomical event: the closest great conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in 397 years. On December 21, the two planets will almost touch in the sky. Our Night Sky Map shows Jupiter and Saturn appearing as a single “star” on December 21, 2020.
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/planets/great-conjunction
is that visible in the northern hemisphere only ?
 

calibob

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is that visible in the northern hemisphere only ?
So? Both Jerusalem and Babylon are/were in the northern hemisphere aren't they?

Latitudes · Geolocations
Jerusalem 31.789022° N. Babylon 32.53639° N.
 

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pffft what? When im, er, um, "40" ?
doesnt matter how old you are, just that you are still alive is a miracle, we ought to celebrate. Im sure youve touched the lives of lots of people in your lifetime.

I think you ought to have a roast dinner. We could get those christmas crackers out and put on party hats and light candles in your honor.
 
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doesnt matter how old you are, just that you are still alive is a miracle, we ought to celebrate. Im sure youve touched the lives of lots of people in your lifetime.

I think you ought to have a roast dinner. We could get those christmas crackers out and put on party hats and light candles in your honor.
Pffft 😄😄😄, and you can start without me.
 

calibob

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Well yeah, so absolutely cannot be seen from the southern hemisphere correct ?
I'm not sure but the equator is not a wall or a blind spot or the sun would not be visible 6 months a year no matter which hemisphere we looked at it from.
 

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Does God mind if we praise Him for sending His Son and celebrate it as a Holiday, visit extended family (sort of like a sabbath) and Go to church and have a special service, like we do each week on Sunday? No. He is pleased by our expressions of faith and thanksgiving and we should keep it up EVERY DAY of the week, year round.

Is it a biblical commandment like baptism in water or the Lords Supper? No. He never said to observe Easter or Christmas.

In that sense I am not too keen on Christmas oriented messages and plays. I get the feeling we are just doing it because it is Christmas and it is not really the same as when the Holy Spirit gives the preacher a message for that Sunday that is a word from God and anointed by the Holy Spirit. A word in season, an illuminated, Spirit empowered exegesis from the scriptures that causes one to have an encounter with the Holy God. Instead, it is just a Christmas message .... meh. But I am trying to change my attitude and be more open.
Xmas is a pagan celebration, disguised and brought into the church

There is absolutely no biblical instruction to remember or celebrate the Lords birthday, let alone on the time of December 25th

Birthday celebration in itself is rooted in non-Christian traditions, ties into the Zodiac, one of the oldest forms of divination, Herod and Pharaoh are the only mentions in birthday celebrations, bothevil connotations

December 25th is in the middle of the Roman Saturnalia, wine, women, and song

December 21st is the rebirth ofthe pagan Sun God, on their day of worship to this god, (Sunday)
 

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the queen has her birthday holiday not on her birthday because its better weather then.
SHe just picked a day.

we get the day off so am not complaining.
 

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in some of my jobs, I had birthday leave where I got the day off. Paid. bonus!
 

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when I had my first birthday, of course I didnt ask people to celebrate my birthday. It was put on for me by my family.

Jesus doesnt ask people to celebrate his birthday but hes not gonna say dont if people want to honor Him.
 

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Matthew 15:
7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Jeremiah 10:
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.


Acts 17:
29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Exactly Correct!

Setting Up A Tree From The Forest, And Decking It With Ornamental Decorations Is Nothing New, They Worshipped The Sun And The Stars Of Heaven In The Solar System, The Zodiac Is One Of The Oldest Forms Of Divination

There Is No Biblical Instruction For The Christian To Remember The Lords Birth, None!

Add To That, Easter Egg Hunts In The Church, All In The Name Of Jesus Christ, Celebrating His Resurrection, Another Pagan Day In The Fertility Rites And Vernal Equinox Of SpringTime, With The Egg And Rabbit Being Symbols Of Fertility
 

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but people observe Jesus birth anyway, so, I dont see it as a problem, telling the story of Jesus birth.

what would you rather have, a nativity play or a rock concert.
 
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Xmas is a pagan celebration, disguised and brought into the church

There is absolutely no biblical instruction to remember or celebrate the Lords birthday, let alone on the time of December 25th

Birthday celebration in itself is rooted in non-Christian traditions, ties into the Zodiac, one of the oldest forms of divination, Herod and Pharaoh are the only mentions in birthday celebrations, bothevil connotations

December 25th is in the middle of the Roman Saturnalia, wine, women, and song

December 21st is the rebirth ofthe pagan Sun God, on their day of worship to this god, (Sunday)
I reckon someone will try and refute you, or lecture, or whatever else.
 

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when I had my first birthday, of course I didnt ask people to celebrate my birthday. It was put on for me by my family.

Jesus doesnt ask people to celebrate his birthday but hes not gonna say dont if people want to honor Him.
The Lord Hasnt Instructed His Followeres To Celebrate His Crucifixion, Or Flagellation Of Ones Self To Blood Either

Wikipedia: Crucifixion in the Philippines is a devotional practice held every Good Friday, and is part of the local observance of Holy Week. Devotees or penitents called magdarame in Kapampangan are willingly crucified in imitation of Jesus Christ's suffering and death, while related practices include carrying wooden crosses, crawling on rough pavement, and self-flagellation. Penitents consider these acts to be mortification of the flesh, and undertake these to ask forgiveness for sins, to fulfil a panatà (Filipino, "vow"), or to express gratitude for favours granted. In the most famous case, Ruben Enaje drives four-inch nails into both hands and feet and then he is lifted on a wooden cross for around five minutes.[1]

Good Friday observances in Barangay San Pedro Cutud, in San Fernando, Pampanga, Philippines.
 
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If in fact the Magi were from Babylon and they followed the astronomical predictions (read prophecies) passed down from Daniel. The Star of Bethlehem may have been Saturn and Jupiter combined (Like 2 nights from now).
Christmas Star:” Saturn-Jupiter Great Conjunction 2020
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The year 2020 will end with a special astronomical event: the closest great conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in 397 years. On December 21, the two planets will almost touch in the sky. Our Night Sky Map shows Jupiter and Saturn appearing as a single “star” on December 21, 2020.
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/planets/great-conjunction
according to the website, I only have to look west and see it. 😀
 

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according to the website, I only have to look west and see it. 😀
The horizon would be where the blind spot ends and begins. From Point Barrow AK there's 80 days of 24 hour daylight and 67 days of darkness due to the horizon, curvature of the earth and bi-annual axis shift. That's what causes the equinox.