The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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brightfame52

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eternally-gratefull said:
it did for those who believe

for those who are still in unbelief, they still have the ability to repent. Because his death offers life to them also,

we were in unbelief once,
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Believing is effected by the death of Christ, when it sanctifies. Christ death delivers from unbelief.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope

those who do his will, and believe in him are saved by his death

i believe Jesus words after he told nicodemus how one is born again

he did not send his son to judge thethe world, but that the world might be saved

he who believes is not condemned (saved)

he who does not believe is condemned already (because he has not believed)

he died for all. so that all might be saved

but only those who believe will be saved
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Yes. Its a shame to say Christs death doesnt produce salvation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
This makes no sense can you explain
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Christs death sanctifies, it is the ground by which the Spirit sanctifies unto belief of the truth which is Faith 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 
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brightfame52 said:
Christs death sanctifies, it is the ground by which the Spirit sanctifies unto belief of the truth which is Faith 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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Ok

I think you are trying to get to technical

the Ot saints were saved by grace. And Christ had not died yet. Just keep it simple
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ok

I think you are trying to get to technical

the Ot saints were saved by grace. And Christ had not died yet. Just keep it simple
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Doesn't matter, the effects of Christs death are eternal. From everlasting to everlasting.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Doesn't matter, the effects of Christs death are eternal. From everlasting to everlasting.
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I never said otherwise

imjust pointed out the fact, that they has saving grace before Christ's death.
his death paved the way, But it was God who did the convicting which lead to faith
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never said otherwise

imjust pointed out the fact, that they has saving grace before Christ's death.
his death paved the way, But it was God who did the convicting which lead to faith
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I believe it was God the Holy spirit just like in Jn 16 and 2 Thess 2:13
 
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brightfame52 said:
Yes. Its a shame to say Christs death doesnt produce salvation.
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It is one thing to say that the death of Christ produces salvation, and it is quite another thing to say that the death of Christ was strictly for the elect (since that contradicts Scripture and is therefore FALSE).

Also, it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ which constitutes the Gospel. Without a Risen Savior, there could be no salvation.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
It is one thing to say that the death of Christ produces salvation, and it is quite another thing to say that the death of Christ was strictly for the elect (since that contradicts Scripture and is therefore FALSE).

Also, it is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ which constitutes the Gospel. Without a Risen Savior, there could be no salvation.
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Well you can not get around it. If Christ death effects Salvation for the ones He died, and all without exception are saved, it stands to reason that the ones not saved He didn't die for. Which equates to He died for some and not all without exception. That some quite naturally is the Elect. You can't see that?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Does not John 6:39 say that of all that he hath given me I should not lose any, but raise them up at the last day?
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The Bible says that Jesus lost Judas. You are a very deceitful man.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
 
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brightfame52 said:
So then those Christ died for are saved by His death, thats the point of the thread.
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He died for all, but not all will be saved by His death. That is the truth. Please, for the sake of your own soul, stop being a false teacher. You are now completely without excuse.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Well you can not get around it. If Christ death effects Salvation for the ones He died, and all without exception are saved, it stands to reason that the ones not saved He didn't die for. Which equates to He died for some and not all without exception. That some quite naturally is the Elect. You can't see that?
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I can see that you have purposely and willfully convoluted the Truth of God's Word. A dark eternity awaits you unless you repent.
 
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oyster67 said:
He died for all, but not all will be saved by His death. That is the truth. Please, for the sake of your own soul, stop being a false teacher. You are now completely without excuse.
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You don't believe the point of the thread.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
People are not condemned because of personal sin, they are condemned because of unbelief

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

this is basic christianity

Satans lie is God does not love, he is selfish, he wants us all to bow to him and do his will as slaves

Gods answer is he loves so much he dies for everyone. But will not force that love on anyone, those who reject his love will remain dead in sin.

yet God is seen as victory, for he died even for them, as you said, we must receive, God will not force us to recieve his love,

never again will there be any doubt of Gods love

i hate to say it. But fatalistic thinking takes away from the part of the true unselfish unending love of God,
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If the Lord Jesus died for the sins of the whole world then there can be no condemnation.

But John 3:18 shows there is condemnation for those who don't believe.

Therefore, the efficacious death of Christ is for Believers only. Unbelievers are condemned of their SIN.
 
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