The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[Duskey]

Saved according to Greek = delivered. There is a deliverance for the regenerated child of god when he has matured enough to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (of the word) and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little and there a little.

The unregenerate natural man, depicted in 1 Cor 2:14 will never come to a knowledge of spiritual truths that he cannot discern, and thinks them to be foolishness.

That does not change anything with regards to 1 Timothy 2:4 ~~ God desires all men to be saved. There’s no dancing around that Biblically stated fact.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus's sacrifice to pay for the sins of those elect that his Father gave him, was not offered to man for man's acceptance, but was offered to God, for God's acceptance.

God did not offer man spiritual life. He quickens them to a spiritual life when they are spiritually dead, and cannot repent of breaking a spiritual law that they cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness. Eph 2:1 & 5.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.

Then like I said. Men are born saved, if faith is not required because the debt was paid. Then nothing else needs done.

there would be no reason to have people live on earth dead to gods for any amount of time they would be born is a saved state not lost

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Nope

You have things out of context,

if their sin is already forgiven, then there is no need to quicken them, the penalty of sin is already removed, they would by defenition be alive already

They are alive in a covenant agreement between the Godhead as far as security of their eternal inheritance is concerned, but they are born into this world, the same as all mankind are, and that is being spiritually dead after the sin of Adam. Sometime during the elects lifetime god quickens them to a spiritual life while they are yet spiritually dead and unable to respond to the things of the Spirit. God does not quicken the rest of mankind.

God saw by his foreknowledge that none of mankind would seek him, Psalms 53:2, even though he gave them the freedom to choose how they wanted to live their lives as they sojourned here on earth.

That is why he choose an elect people before the foundation of the world to adopt as his children by the payment of their sins by his Son's death upon the cross so that he would have a people that would honour and praise him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They are alive in a covenant agreement between the Godhead as far as security of their eternal inheritance is concerned, but they are born into this world, the same as all mankind are, and that is being spiritually dead after the sin of Adam. Sometime during the elects lifetime god quickens them to a spiritual life while they are yet spiritually dead and unable to respond to the things of the Spirit. God does not quicken the rest of mankind.

God saw by his foreknowledge that none of mankind would seek him, Psalms 53:2, even though he gave them the freedom to choose how they wanted to live their lives as they sojourned here on earth.

That is why he choose an elect people before the foundation of the world to adopt as his children by the payment of their sins by his Son's death upon the cross so that he would have a people that would honour and praise him.

Nope

your trying to have people who have been forgiven still dead in sin.

your either dead in sin or alive in Christ, there is no in between,if the sin debt is paid they are alive

plus, you would have to explain why some Of the elect are saved at an early state and are blessed of not living a dead life, while others live to their old before God finally makes them alive.

is God really that heartless? As he would be in your view?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It’s not a mystery, abraham was saved by that same faith as was all men who have ever been adopted as Gods children from the beginning of time

All of the old testament saints are his elect and are born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the same way that all of his elect are, Isaiah 63:11.

Matt 11:25, At that time Jesus said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Mark 4:11, And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without, all things are done in parables.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

That does not change anything with regards to 1 Timothy 2:4 ~~ God desires all men to be saved. There’s no dancing around that Biblically stated fact.

You are taking the "all men" out of context. If God desires that all mankind to be saved eternally, then all mankind will be saved eternally, and we know that is contrary to the harmony of the scriptures.

Dan 4:35, All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will (desire) in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Then like I said. Men are born saved, if faith is not required because the debt was paid. Then nothing else needs done.

there would be no reason to have people live on earth dead to gods for any amount of time they would be born is a saved state not lost

The word is written as a mystery, and the key that unlocks the mystery is the harmony of the scriptures.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Nope

your trying to have people who have been forgiven still dead in sin.

your either dead in sin or alive in Christ, there is no in between,if the sin debt is paid they are alive

plus, you would have to explain why some Of the elect are saved at an early state and are blessed of not living a dead life, while others live to their old before God finally makes them alive.

is God really that heartless? As he would be in your view?

What is heartless in my view is a God that wants to eternally save all mankind, but just does not have the power, nor will to do it, because man "stays God's hand" by not accepting him.

All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? Dan 4:35

Isaiah 55: 11, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return unto be void, but it shall accomplish that which I please.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The word is written as a mystery, and the key that unlocks the mystery is the harmony of the scriptures.

The word is not a mystery, the way of salvation was a mystery, and the church was a mystery

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is heartless in my view is a God that wants to eternally save all mankind, but just does not have the power, nor will to do it, because man "stays God's hand" by not accepting him.

oh he has the power, he can force everyone to get on their knees to recieve him whether they want to or not. But then, what kind of God would that make him?

All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? Dan 4:35

Isaiah 55: 11, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return unto be void, but it shall accomplish that which I please.

yeah he does according to his will, all who believe and call out will be saved.

those who do not. Against his will, will not be saved, not because he does not have the power but like Israel, because they were unwilling

 

[Corban]

I understand why you do not want an answer. I do not believe that the scriptures support the reign of Christ staying on earth after his second coming and reigning over his kingdom. His kingdom came in the form of his bride, the church, in the generation of his apostles preaching, repent, for the kingdom of heaven (the church) is at hand.

You do understand that God inspired his words to be a mystery to the wise and prudent, and revealed them (through the revelation of the Holy Spirit) unto babes in Christ, do you not?

I am aware of that. And I am aware that if you have taken the position you have, then we are not discussing the same thing. Of all the prophecies that have been fulfilled, they have been fulfilled accurately and literally. What are the chances that the remaining 600 or so will be any other way?

Notwithstanding, God bless

 

[Corban]

You wouldn't still be trying to argue if you weren't interpreting.

For those in Christ sin has been dealt with. For those who don't believe they retain their sin.


I can keep showing you.

Thanks for the reply. Go well bro.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

oh he has the power, he can force everyone to get on their knees to recieve him whether they want to or not. But then, what kind of God would that make him?


yeah he does according to his will, all who believe and call out will be saved.

those who do not. Against his will, will not be saved, not because he does not have the power but like Israel, because they were unwilling

What kind of a God would he be to let people suffer everlasting torment, when he has the power to take them to live in heaven?

You are not harmonizing the scriptures. Unwilling Israel, that is a part of Jacob/Israel is saved eternally. All Israel is not of Jacob/Israel. Rom 9:6. Jacob whom God changed his name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel is representative of God's elect Rom 9:11.

You and I at times are unwilling to do God's will. Do you think that you are lost eternally because of it? Scriptures do not contradict each other.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What kind of a God would he be to let people suffer everlasting torment, when he has the power to take them to live in heaven?

you tell me, your God is the one that will let them suffer.

my God paid the way, if they go to hell it’s on them Not God

You are not harmonizing the scriptures. Unwilling Israel, that is a part of Jacob/Israel is saved eternally. All Israel is not of Jacob/Israel. Rom 9:6. Jacob whom God changed his name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel is representative of God's elect Rom 9:11.

You and I at times are unwilling to do God's will. Do you think that you are lost eternally because of it? Scriptures do not contradict each other.

your twisting scripture

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I am aware of that. And I am aware that if you have taken the position you have, then we are not discussing the same thing. Of all the prophecies that have been fulfilled, they have been fulfilled accurately and literally. What are the chances that the remaining 600 or so will be any other way?

Notwithstanding, God bless

Some of the prophecies that you think are yet to be fulfilled, are already fulfilled, such as Christ's kingdom, which is his church, and was fulfilled in the apostles day. Christ has been reigning as king sense that day.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

you tell me, your God is the one that will let them suffer.

my God paid the way, if they go to hell it’s on them Not God


your twisting scripture

God saw by his foreknowledge that no one would seek him. He would have been a just God if he had let all of mankind go to hell. He is a merciful God in that he saved as many as the sand in the seashore and the stars in the sky.

If mankind would have sought him on their own, he would not have had to elect many to save.

My twisting the scriptures is just your assumption.because you are not rightly dividing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God saw by his foreknowledge that no one would seek him. He would have been a just God if he had let all of mankind go to hell. He is a merciful God in that he saved as many as the sand in the seashore and the stars in the sky.

If mankind would have sought him on their own, he would not have had to elect many to save.

My twisting the scriptures is just your assumption.because you are not rightly dividing.

Yep,there you go

ypu have god,who could have saved all. sending many to hell.

thanks for proving my point

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yep,there you go

ypu have god,who could have saved all. sending many to hell.

thanks for proving my point

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks for agreeing with me.

I do, your God sends people to hell when he could have had the power to save them but chose not to even give them a chance

 

[brightfame52]

Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for !29