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Your questions: Did the Church institute Dec 25th to replace Pagan Festivals with a Christian Theme? Is there recorded history of these discussions or meetings or edicts?
The "church" is the Roman Catholic "Mother" church of all churches. She is the fourth kingdom spread out on the earth and between the seas.
This "Mother" church of all churches instituted "Christianity" mixed with ancient Babylonian beliefs covered with charity. It looks like someone is giving you a beautiful "gift" or "present" but really its a poison deadly snake inside the box.
Yes the "church" instituted Dec 25th from the Romans and the Romans instituted worship on Dec 25th to their "sun god" through this ancient Babylonian belief.
Please note: This is a very wicked and dangerous Babylonian practice that the whole world acknowledges and celebrates on December 25th, because behind it is the Satan who deceives the whole world thru it which is the "image" of jealousy that provokes jealousy in the heavenly realm.
The "church" must repent as a "whole" and remove it from their foundation of beliefs ASAP.
December 25 is not biblical.
There is no record of Jesus, or his chosen disciples, or their followers acknowledging or celebrating such an event pertaining to Jesus's birth.
It's like setting up a date for the coming of Jesus every year.
Here is an example:
"Easter" is also an ancient Babylonian belief, but somehow it was "added" (when I don't know) into this scripture Acts 12:4 in the "New Testament" Holy Bible.
Acts 12:4, And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
But in verse 3 it says, And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
So which is it? Easter or Passover? Jews do Passover. All chosen disciples including Matthias are Jewish both physically and spiritually.
Your question: Is there recorded history of these discussions or meetings or edicts? there are many debates on certain websites that have researched and found December 25th is an ancient Babylonian practice/belief.
However believers themselves need to seek God in prayer for the truth about these practices that "churches" acknowledge and celebrate.
I did and I know the truth.
Revelation 21:27, And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatsoever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of eternal life.
Romans 14:17, For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Your questions: Did the Church institute Dec 25th to replace Pagan Festivals with a Christian Theme? Is there recorded history of these discussions or meetings or edicts?
The "church" is the Roman Catholic "Mother" church of all churches. She is the fourth kingdom spread out on the earth and between the seas.
This "Mother" church of all churches instituted "Christianity" mixed with ancient Babylonian beliefs covered with charity. It looks like someone is giving you a beautiful "gift" or "present" but really its a poison deadly snake inside the box.
Yes the "church" instituted Dec 25th from the Romans and the Romans instituted worship on Dec 25th to their "sun god" through this ancient Babylonian belief.
Please note: This is a very wicked and dangerous Babylonian practice that the whole world acknowledges and celebrates on December 25th, because behind it is the Satan who deceives the whole world thru it which is the "image" of jealousy that provokes jealousy in the heavenly realm.
The "church" must repent as a "whole" and remove it from their foundation of beliefs ASAP.
December 25 is not biblical.
There is no record of Jesus, or his chosen disciples, or their followers acknowledging or celebrating such an event pertaining to Jesus's birth.
It's like setting up a date for the coming of Jesus every year.
Here is an example:
"Easter" is also an ancient Babylonian belief, but somehow it was "added" (when I don't know) into this scripture Acts 12:4 in the "New Testament" Holy Bible.
Acts 12:4, And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
But in verse 3 it says, And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
So which is it? Easter or Passover? Jews do Passover. All chosen disciples including Matthias are Jewish both physically and spiritually.
Your question: Is there recorded history of these discussions or meetings or edicts? there are many debates on certain websites that have researched and found December 25th is an ancient Babylonian practice/belief.
However believers themselves need to seek God in prayer for the truth about these practices that "churches" acknowledge and celebrate.
I did and I know the truth.
Revelation 21:27, And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatsoever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of eternal life.
Romans 14:17, For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
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If you like conclusions based on a faulty perception of reality. I'm sure you understand how words change over generations of use. My dad asked me not long ago " when someone calls you a dude, is it an insult?" Someone said "hey dude" to him. In his day it was an insult. The words that symbolize concepts are migratory, the concepts are not. Same with the words and dates that mark holidays. Those are not the property of some ancient god or culture that is now dust. Like words they are migratory. The concepts they symbolize are remembered or forgotten. Some just don't understand that their arguments are premised on faulty perception of how those things really work.
bit of trivia for those that are like 'er, what iz christmus? '
santa is the spanish word for saint.
I am sure some people believe it means something else, but they are mistaken or maybe dont understand a word of spanish.
And yes there ARE saints in the Bible. They generally did good works, usually in secret and gave all the glory to God.
some christians celebrate Michaelmas, but that is generally lesser well known.
santa is the spanish word for saint.
I am sure some people believe it means something else, but they are mistaken or maybe dont understand a word of spanish.
And yes there ARE saints in the Bible. They generally did good works, usually in secret and gave all the glory to God.
some christians celebrate Michaelmas, but that is generally lesser well known.
If u really feel the need to celebrate Christ's birth then do it when he was most likely born--september. Yule is not Christian in any sense. Same with every well-known "Christian" holiday. Here's food for thought: if they are Christian originated, then why would nonchristians even staunch ones celebrate them? The root of most holidays are set in evil practices from ancient times.
Before anyone trys to get irate and such, this is my own opinion based on researchable facts. If you don't agree that's your perogative and I respect that. I'm simply answering the op question.
Before anyone trys to get irate and such, this is my own opinion based on researchable facts. If you don't agree that's your perogative and I respect that. I'm simply answering the op question.
No one can say with positive affirmation the exact date of Jeses' birth. However putting together occurences, references and Jewish practices in the bible it can be estimated. And that estimation is sometime in September. By celebrating christmas, aka Yule, in any way, you are in essence celebrating the birth of the sun god.
Christmas makes no sense when you look at scripture...its a tradition started by men to distract from the gospel.
Acts 17:11
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Common sense is a sane mind.
What are you doing with the trees then? Aren’t they supposed to be used to celebrate Jesus birth? Which is why people put them up in the first place. That’s what christmas is..putting up trees though no one knows why people do that anyway do they? They just know that it’s a tradition that all people put up trees around christmas time but I bet no one can tell you why they have to do that...except if they don’t..no presents. Even Christians want presents under the tree. How is that biblical?
You are the one trying to bring in false equivalencies with adding all the stuff about watching tv..etc...has nothing to do with the christmas argument. People aren’t trying to watch tv as a worship device to God are they? Which is why I say its a false equivalent to this convo.
What are you doing with the trees then? Aren’t they supposed to be used to celebrate Jesus birth? Which is why people put them up in the first place. That’s what christmas is..putting up trees though no one knows why people do that anyway do they? They just know that it’s a tradition that all people put up trees around christmas time but I bet no one can tell you why they have to do that...except if they don’t..no presents. Even Christians want presents under the tree. How is that biblical?
You are the one trying to bring in false equivalencies with adding all the stuff about watching tv..etc...has nothing to do with the christmas argument. People aren’t trying to watch tv as a worship device to God are they? Which is why I say its a false equivalent to this convo.
I think its interesting that scripture doesn’t record the dates of either the birth of Christ or His death and resurrection. I think its also interesting that Christ died on a certain day..yet every year Easter..the celebration or remembrance of it is a different day every year...to accommodate the pope.
Back to the point that the dates of the birth or death of Christ is not mentioned in the Bible I think goes to the fact that that celebrating either isn’t the point of Jesus coming down from heaven. The point was that Jesus died for us so that we could be reconciled to the Father and we should keep to that.
Back to the point that the dates of the birth or death of Christ is not mentioned in the Bible I think goes to the fact that that celebrating either isn’t the point of Jesus coming down from heaven. The point was that Jesus died for us so that we could be reconciled to the Father and we should keep to that.
