Do you wish all human can be saved?

[ewq1938]

Maybe there are people that even God can't save, but I don't know( ˘•ω•˘ )
know is konw, don't know is don't know

How about listening and accepting what God says about the unsaved and how they will be punished in fire? There is no such thing as not knowing what God will do to those people. God is VERY clear what he will do and he has shown the future to people like John in Revelation.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[soberxp]

How about listening and accepting what God says about the unsaved and how they will be punished in fire? There is no such thing as not knowing what God will do to those people. God is VERY clear what he will do and he has shown the future to people like John in Revelation.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Mark 10:26-27

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

John 10:10

Revelation is just revelation. It can be metaphor or warning. I don't think you have faith in God's power.Almighty god.

so be it.Amen

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Do you wish all human can be saved?

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Yes, God wants all people to come to a saving knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

God commands us to love all people.

Matthew 5:43-47
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

God claims to be perfect.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

1 John 1:5
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

God rails against hypocrites

Matthew 15:7-9
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.

God does not lie.

Titus 1:2
2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

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CONCLUSION:
If God commands us to love all people, but yet he himself does not love all people; then God is a hypocrite.
If God commands us to love all people, but yet he himself does not love all people; then God is not perfect.
If God is not perfect but is a hypocrite then He is a liar and there is some darkness in him.

Therefore, for the Word to be all true God must love all people.
If you love all people then you should desire all to be saved.

 

[oyster67]

Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Do you wish all human can be saved?

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies? (Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)


If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)

Yes.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

In 1Tim.2:4, it is God's desire for all people to be saved. People are savedby knowing the truth,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life Jn.14:5

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Jn.17:3

The precept on precept and line on line was not a good thing. Look at vs.13. Isaiah is saying one person would have a precept (or line) of scripture and someone else would have another one that seemed contrary. They talked about the word without ever really knowimg the Lord and it caused them to fall backward.

Paul was describing lost people
All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people. Rom.10:21

I do not know if you reference the Greek meanings of words, but if you do, you will find that save, saved and salvation is interpreted to mean "deliver. delivered, and deliverance. There is an eternal deliverance and there are many deliverances that the born again children of God experience as they sojourn here in this world.

If you interpret all of the salvation scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, they will reflect eternal deliverance by the works of man.

There is a deliverance for the born again children, as we sojourn here in this world, by coming unto a knowledge of the truth

There is, also, a deliverance, for the born again children, as they sojourn here on earth, when they repent of committing a sin.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

In 1Tim.2:4, it is God's desire for all people to be saved. People are savedby knowing the truth,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life Jn.14:5

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Jn.17:3

The precept on precept and line on line was not a good thing. Look at vs.13. Isaiah is saying one person would have a precept (or line) of scripture and someone else would have another one that seemed contrary. They talked about the word without ever really knowimg the Lord and it caused them to fall backward.

Paul was describing lost people
All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people. Rom.10:21

Rom 10:21, This comment was made to "Israel" which are the elect of God. The people who are born again make up the sum of Israel (Jacob). God changed Jacob's name to be called no more Jacob, but to be called "Israel", Gen 33:28. All Israelis not of Israel, Rom 9:6, but Jacob/Israel is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11. Disobedient regenerated children of God are lost (not eternally) but from their fellowship with God, until they repent, which brings a deliverance (salvation) as they sojourn here on earth.

Isaiah 28 harmonizes with Rom 10, in that they are lost (not eternally) but lost from the disobedience of not having a knowledge of the truth, and in need of instruction.

If you group all salvation scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, they will indicate eternal salvation by the works of man.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes it is.

Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:45 But if that servant says to himself, My lord is a long time coming; and goes about giving blows to the men-servants and the women-servants, feasting and taking overmuch wine;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come at a time when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not ready for him, and he will have him cut in two and will give him his part in the fate of those who have no faith;

I am assuming that you believe that the scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the truth. How do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes, God wants all people to come to a saving knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

God commands us to love all people.

Matthew 5:43-47
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

God claims to be perfect.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

1 John 1:5
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

God rails against hypocrites

Matthew 15:7-9
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.

God does not lie.

Titus 1:2
2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

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CONCLUSION:
If God commands us to love all people, but yet he himself does not love all people; then God is a hypocrite.
If God commands us to love all people, but yet he himself does not love all people; then God is not perfect.
If God is not perfect but is a hypocrite then He is a liar and there is some darkness in him.

Therefore, for the Word to be all true God must love all people.
If you love all people then you should desire all to be saved.

Whom the Lord love, he chastens. Does he chasten (divinely punish) all people?

Psalms 73:5, They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they "PLAGUED" (Greek meaning=divinely punished) like other men.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

In order to see to whom Peter is talking to, we have to go back to 2 Pet 1:1, and it is to them that have obtained like precious faith (regenerated people). Peter even includes himself by using the word "usward" in his warning to them that when they commit a sin that God is longsuffering to them, not willing that any should "perish=death=separation"(be separated from his fellowship), but that they all (those of like precious faith) should come to repentance, to bring themselves back in fellowship with God.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Whom the Lord love, he chastens. Does he chasten (divinely punish) all people?

Psalms 73:5, They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they "PLAGUED" (Greek meaning=divinely punished) like other men.

You have not put forth a good argument.

Proverbs 13:20-21
20 Walk with the wise and become wise,
for a companion of fools suffers harm.
21 Trouble pursues the sinner,
but the righteous are rewarded with good things.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You have not put forth a good argument.

Proverbs 13:20-21
20 Walk with the wise and become wise,
for a companion of fools suffers harm.
21 Trouble pursues the sinner,
but the righteous are rewarded with good things.

Then give me scripture that proves it wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

I am assuming that you believe that the scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the truth. How do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?

Same as Barnes does:

2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful - This cannot mean that, if we live in sin, he will certainly save us, as if he had made any promise to the elect, or formed any purpose that he would save them; whatever might be their conduct; because:
(1) He had just said that if we deny him he will deny us;

 

[soberxp]

Luke 6:35
King James Version
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

 

[Adstar]

Your statement that "God knows, by his foreknowledge, who will believe. That is why I called your attention to the scripture that says that God saw by his foreknowledge that none would seek him.

Do you not believe that the scriptures must harmonize with each other before we can understand the truths within them?

Whats that got to do with God foreknowing who would believe Him?

We humans don't need to seek Him..

God moves people calls people.. But as we know from scripture ( at lest people who are not Calvinists do ) many resist the moving of the Holy Spirit and do not come to believe and trust in the will of God.. Of course Calvinists believe in the un-Biblical false doctrine that no one can resist the moving of the Holy Spirit.. Calvinist must reject the following verse to keep honoring the traditions of a man "'calvin"

Acts 7: KJV
51 "¶ Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

 

[Journeyman]

I think that was Israel's attitude of rejecting unbelievers at that time, just like Christians' attitude of rejecting unbelievers now.
God's righteousness is not about rejecting unbelievers,Even if the unbelievers refuse to believe god.

What it shows is the rejection of Christ. God's righteousness is Christ, who did everything he could so that people would turn to God. On judgement day, those who rejected our Lord Jesus will be condemned.

 

[Journeyman]

If you interpret all of the salvation scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, they will reflect eternal deliverance by the works of man.

What they will reflect is believing in the Lord, or not believing in him.

 

[Journeyman]

Rom 10:21, This comment was made to "Israel" which are the elect of God. The people who are born again make up the sum of Israel (Jacob). God changed Jacob's name to be called no more Jacob, but to be called "Israel", Gen 33:28. All Israelis not of Israel, Rom 9:6, but Jacob/Israel is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11. Disobedient regenerated children of God are lost (not eternally) but from their fellowship with God, until they repent, which brings a deliverance (salvation) as they sojourn here on earth.

Isaiah 28 harmonizes with Rom 10, in that they are lost (not eternally) but lost from the disobedience of not having a knowledge of the truth, and in need of instruction.

If you group all salvation scriptures to mean eternal deliverance, they will indicate eternal salvation by the works of man.

The scriptures you're citing aren't describing "disobedient saved people ". They're describing people who reject Christ. Disobedient lost people.

 

[soberxp]

Luke 6:35
King James Version
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

What it shows is the rejection of Christ. God's righteousness is Christ, who did everything he could so that people would turn to God. On judgement day, those who rejected our Lord Jesus will be condemned.

I'm talking about today, now. Not in the future.You're talking about a rule that only works at a certain time.You can't say today that this man refused to believe in Jesus, so he couldn't be saved.
this.......is what I mean.

 

[Journeyman]

I'm talking about today, now. Not in the future.You're talking about a rule that only works at a certain time.You can't say today that this man refused to believe in Jesus, so he couldn't be saved.
this.......is what I mean.

I never said people who turn to God because of Christs sacrifice can't be saved, but the scriptures being cited do not describe saved people. They describe people who rejected our Lord Jesus, God in the flesh.

 

[soberxp]

I never said people who turn to God because of Christs sacrifice can't be saved, but the scriptures being cited do not describe saved people. They describe people who rejected our Lord Jesus, God in the flesh.

Knowing the words of the Bible is not the same thing as facing people who rejected our lord today.