Calvinists are preaching a false message .

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Would not say all points are false. Debatable yes.

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  2. U Unconditional Election
  3. L Limited Atonement
  4. I Irresistible Grace
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They all come as a package because of the T . Most Christians get duped into thinking the T and some variation of the U is biblical . Most Arminians for example have been blinded by Calvinism. Most Christians think they have to pick from amoung the 5 points ( at least one even ) as if they must have some validity.
 
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The Apostle Paul was the first to be duped by those Calvinist rascals.
 
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Jesus is " Elect'? Jesus is the Elector and has always been Jesus is eternal we were created Jesus was not.
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No one in any sense is ' elected ' to salvation . Even Jesus is ' elect ' to serve . ( servant )
 
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The Apostle Paul was the first to be duped by those Calvinist rascals.
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Calvinism began in the 4th century, so it wasn't an issue . Gnosctism was however. Which is where Calvinism comes from.
 
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throughfaith said:
They all come as a package because of the T . Most Christians get duped into thinking the T and some variation of the U is biblical . Most Arminians for example have been blinded by Calvinism.
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the idea that one has to accept the five points is just not true. the labeling is a problem both Calvinist and Arminians argue a position from error. Both do so with pride. Both claim to be saved. neither is the gospel message completely. Both have hurt the fellowship of the church and cause dissension. The unsaved do not know Tiptoeing through the TULIPS. The concept has been given more authority than the Preaching of the Gospel message which is NOT TULIP but the DBR Of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul did not say in Romans

I am not ashamed of the message of TULIP for it is the power of God for salvation NO. Paul said I am not ashamed of The Gospel of Jesus Christ FOR IT IS the POWER OF GOD for Salvation>.

Many on both sides will have much to answer to for causing many to turn away.
 
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Would not say all points are false. Debatable yes.

  1. T Total Depravity
  2. U Unconditional Election
  3. L Limited Atonement
  4. I Irresistible Grace
  5. P Perseverance of the Saints
Green I agree Blue debatable red I disagree
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The other three points wouldn't exist without Augustines ' T ' . So believing the rest is nonsense .
 
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throughfaith said:
No one in any sense is ' elected ' to salvation . Even Jesus is ' elect ' to serve . ( servant )
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that I would like to see in scripture Please.
 
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the idea that one has to accept the five points is just not true. the labeling is a problem both Calvinist and Arminians argue a position from error. Both do so with pride. Both claim to be saved. neither is the gospel message completely. Both have hurt the fellowship of the church and cause dissension. The unsaved do not know Tiptoeing through the TULIPS. The concept has been given more authority than the Preaching of the Gospel message which is NOT TULIP but the DBR Of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul did not say in Romans

I am not ashamed of the message of TULIP for it is the power of God for salvation NO. Paul said I am not ashamed of The Gospel of Jesus Christ FOR IT IS the POWER OF GOD for Salvation>.

Many on both sides will have much to answer to for causing many to turn away.
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It starts with the T . Which you agree on .
 
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The other three points wouldn't exist without Augustines ' T ' . So believing the rest is nonsense .
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So I take it you don't see the value in John Calvin at all?
 
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Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
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FYI I'm not a Calvinist :) I just don't through the baby out with the bathwater nor would I suggest those who are Calvinist are unsaved.
 
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FYI I'm not a Calvinist :) I just don't through the baby out with the bathwater nor would I suggest those who are Calvinist are unsaved.
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I've never said they are unsaved . It would be inspite of Calvinism folks get saved .
 
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Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
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I can't fully understand what is not to salvation . for my understanding to servic,calling and purpose all for salvation.
 
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I can't fully understand what is not to salvation . for my understanding to servic,calling and purpose all for salvation.
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No one in any sense is elected to be saved .
 
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No one in any sense is elected to be saved .
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oh.you just answed my another question in my mind.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

No matter whether the doctrines are correct or not, if there is inner contention(in heart), it is impossible to see the image of God.
 
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It could not be any more simple.
God holds everyone responsible. Response - able . Jesus Marvels at peoples ' unbelief ' . God commands all men everywhere to repent. It could not be clearer that Jesus died for all and that all can respond positively to the Gospel.
But Calvinism teaches the exact opposite to the bible . This is a serious issue . One in which should concern us ,as the popularity of Calvinism is currently at its peak ..
What say you?
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For your informationj, most churches are preaching a false message whether they be calvanists or armenian and it has nothing at all to do with what side of the fence they are preaching.

If they preach all you need to do is to accept jesus into your heart they are preaching a false message. The message of Pentecost was repent and be baptised. The church today needs to preach repent and be baptised. If they did that you would not have so many wishy washy Christians.
 
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